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Le Chevre is a religious allegory


This is a funny movie. It is also a religious allegory. Bad luck is a symbol in this context for grace. The bad luck fellow might also be seen as a
christlike innocent whose influence on Depardieu is gradual and growing.
in the final scenes the bad luck boy and bad luck girl both wear head bandages which symbolise halos. There is plenty of biblical material scattered through the film which deals with the progress through life of a very secular fellow and this strangely cursed or blessed man whose gift of bad luck leads him to exactly the goal of his deepest quest.
We might hope that grace will lead us also to the goal of our deepest quest which is something more than money or fame or comfort but something deeply good.
I think that La Chevre means this and also is a very funny movie. IT is Depardieu who is moved, touched by the relationship. Hopefully it is also us who are moved by this film which serves a goodness with its laughter.

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Usually I pick up on religious imagery, but not in this film. Where is it?

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I don't believe all that analysis of religious content. The only thing I saw was a wrecked cross outside a ruined mission in the jungle. The girl managed somehow to destroy the whole native village and their place of worship. Leaving them with nothing.

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Compare with Matthew 5 (Jesus on the Mountain):
5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

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and your point is...

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I've read that the author of this film was influenced by an American short story about a group of Mormons who steal religious icons for various rites of depravity. That's so very Xhristian.

Nothing exists more beautifully than nothing.

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It is also a religious allegory

Oh dear! Please say you're joking!


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People will pick just about everything to say "when will you heathen understand" ? It's called fanatics. As Churchill said, it's "people who won't change their minds and won't change the subject".
Veber never intended any of his movies to have any religious meaning. No matter what his beliefs, or — shudder ! — lack therof are, he kept to himself. But of course, God's hand must have guided his even if he did not understand THE TRUTH, yadda yadda ya…
Oh, and Pierre Richard did some very anti-religion (if not anti-faith) movies, like "The Toy". Once again, i don't know what his positions are, but his movie followed the seventies big, bad leftists (the non-dogmatic part — Cthulhu knows we hate those —, those who just illustrated their vision with a healthy sense of self-derision) European credo.
Tje me
*SPOILER*
What almost ruins this great movie is knowing that Depardieu's role wasz written for the great Lino Ventura. Hence I can see how M. Ventura would have played every single scene… Not that Depardieu's bad, but it's Depardieu channeling Ventura, if you get my drift…

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There are no religiou symbols either in the film "The Day the Earth Stood still'
nevertheless that film is a very loose retelling of the gospel story. That is not the central issue but the use of allegory in that film and in this one gives a weight to the ethical undertones which exist in both films.
I am not joking.
Allegory is an extremely common coloration in fictional work. Its use often provides an additional value in illustrating issues more directly dealt with in the surface and obvious elements of the story line. I dont suggest for a moment that "Le Chevre" is a didactic Christian lesson film, just that the echoes of religious themes common in allegorical methods give a texture in the background which enhance the story in a charming way.
"Le Chevre" is no less an allegory than "The Idiot" by Dostoevsky which it resembles in interesting ways. The most common allegorical theme is Christian. This is because Western society is so tied to this theme historically. Other cultures often incorporate other themes and other themes occasionally enhance western writing and film.
The most typical allegorical symbols in such work are miraculous acts (improbable coincidences etc etc), a selfless
and innocent character central to the story. a person deeply influenced by these issues who is himself or herself ordinary. A very good example in recent film history of this type of film making is "The Year of Living Dangerously" . Which was another loose gospel reiteration. They are everywhere in film, for instance,the film "Eddie and the Cruisers" was boldly allegorical.
Im not Christian myself, but find fictional works which incorporate those elements as background structure or coloration as reflections of a more or less serious supplemental storytelling enhancement which is interesting.

Michael Kramer

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"There are no religiou symbols either in the film "The Day the Earth Stood still'
nevertheless that film is a very loose retelling of the gospel story."

You are suggesting that even if a film contains no religious symbols it can nevertheless be allegorical. You are suggesting here with your use of the word, "either", that despite the lack of religious symbols, La chèvre can still be a religious allegory, like The Day The Earth Stood Still. But you have already claimed that La chèvre does, in fact, contain religious symbols: bad luck is a symbol for grace, head bandages for halos.

"Bad luck is a symbol in this context for grace"
"head bandages which symbolise halos"

So, which is it? Because you are contradicting yourself here.

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"It is also a religious allegory. Bad luck is a symbol in this context for grace."

No, it isn't. Bad luck cannot be a symbol for the theological concept of grace. Perhaps you could explain what you think grace is and how bad luck can symbolize it.

"The bad luck fellow might also be seen as a christlike innocent whose influence on Depardieu is gradual and growing."

No, he can't. Depardieu's character never regards his partner as anything but a helpless idiot. An idiot one can grow protective of certainly, but a blustering idiot nevertheless. The bad luck guy never makes any good decisions, in fact he makes clearly stupid ones. The mechanism of the movie's comedy works because they find the girl despite his blundering. That is why it is funny: it is the clash between the rational partner and the helplessly unlucky one. The only mechanism hinted at to explain their success is fate and destiny, not grace.

"in the final scenes the bad luck boy and bad luck girl both wear head bandages which symbolise halos"

The guy wears a bandage bandana-style which symbolizes that he has knocked his head. In fact the blundering idiot ran himself into the bonnet of a jeep even as Depardieu's character tried to prevent him from causing himself harm when he decided to fight him because of a childish sense of wounded pride. There is nothing christlike about this character.

The woman wears bandages covering her whole head above the ears and eyes. It looks like a cap or gangster beanie. It looks nothing like, and is not at all suggestive of, a halo.

"There is plenty of biblical material scattered through the film"

No, there isn't. Please, give several examples of biblical material in this film. I found this film to be no more Christian in allegory or biblical in content than any other film that is avowedly non-Christian and non-biblical. Do you think the bumblings of Mr Bean also secretly encode the principles of Christian grace?

You say you are not Christian in a later post (quote: "Im not Christian myself") but in this, your first post, you say "We might hope that grace will lead us also". Grace is an exclusively Christian doctrine. How could a non-Christian hope to be led by grace? Only a Christian would say that, perhaps a backslid or wannabe one looking for cosmic protection against all the self-inflicted woes and disasters and inadequacies in their life.

Humans seek meaningful patterns everywhere, see them everywhere, even in places they do not exist. This is a basic principle of human psychology.

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