Why go SURFACED?


If you have a submarine, and have to go across several lines of enemy boats, why not go submerged? Why did they try to go surfaced across the Strait of Gibraltar?

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Those U-Boats could only sail submerged for a few hours, and they were not exactly quiet so Der Alte's plan was to submerge just before the patrol line and then drift through the strait not using the engines - the Strait og Gibraltar has a rather strong eastward surface current.
It was a good idea. But, as the LI says when they sit trapped on the bottom of the Strait, 'it also has to come off'. For instance he could not be sure exactly where the Royal Navy's patrol lines would be.

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The surface speed of a german VIIC U-Boat was around 18 knots the submerged speed was only about 8 knots. So, the first reason was the speed.
The british sonar system would most likely locate the Boat either submerged or emerged. And also it was likely, that there would be mine fields specialy designed against submerged U-Boats, wich were at least as dangerous as the british canons at the surface.

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So what you're saying is that there's no way they could get past the enemy boats without being hit?

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Emerged is the wrong word. Subs are submerged, or SURFACED.
Surfaced is the word you're looking for in your post and title, not emerged.

There are many reasons they ran the strait SURFACED rather than submerged.

1) ENDURANCE:
A Submarines endurance was much more limited when submerged. At full speed they were noisy and easily detectable on British hydrophones, and were still much slower (about 8 knots max) and their batteries would be drained flat within about an hour, forcing them to surface no matter what. Even if they ran it a a very slow speed, they still ran the risk of being detected by hydrophones, it would take them far far longer to complete the transit increasing the odds of detection, and another factor which makes it an impossibility which I will address later.

2) TACTICAL AWARENESS:
A sub on the surface at night is very very difficult to spot even by an enemy aware of and looking for the sub. If they submerges they ran the risk of being detected by Hydrophones and pinpointed. On the surface, British patrols had to visually spot them in the dark and foggy low visibility. A Sub on the surface however has a better chance of seeing and avoiding surface patrols by the enemy by spotting and altering course to avoid long before patrols had a chance to spot them in return. Submerged,a submarine is virtually blind but for their own sonar which would not give them a very accurate picture of the surface situation. this increased the odds they would blunder into a patrol and be detected.

3) PHYSICS:
There is a permanent current near the surface that runs Eastward into the Mediterranean Sea. This is coupled with a Deep water current that runs Westward out of the Med.
Had they gone deep and tried to get through the strait, they would have been fighting against this deep and strong westward current as they tried to move east through the strait. At a slow pace and low battery usage it is impossible as the current would be stronger than the sub's motion and they would have been carried West as well. Had they gone to full power to make headway against the current, they would be noisy as I pointed out above, and their battery would have been drained flat in no time, long before they could have made it through the strait.


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Thanks CGSailor for the definitive explaination! I corrected the title and the post, SURFACED was what I meant. Cheers!

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who says cheers?

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Pretty much every Brit says cheers, so there's 60 million or so for a start, in fact almost anywhere I've been throughout the Commonwealth people will say it in place of 'thanks', even heard it once or twice in India 0_o

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Nakedgirl is a semi-troll.

Not an outright troll, but trollish in demeanor.

it's shtick is to post one or two word topics and posts. never an actual discussion. and quite often off topic to boot.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Gibraltar
According to WIKI the eastbound current seems to reach about 100 m down - which is the practical maximum for German subs of 1940's.
So der Alte's plan would be the practical way of getting from the Atlantic into the Med. WIKI also tells that +60 German U-Boats were sent to the Med, with some 10 sunk in the Strait. Compared to the U-boats' 'general death rate' a rather fair chance.
It then looks that if the U-boats floated submerged with the current (no engines and crew hardly chewing bananas!😀) the chances of getting through would be rather good. Surfaced they would most surely be detected by radar - which most likely is what happens in the film (the plane comes out of cloud and darkness with blazing guns - the pilot clearly knows where the boat is)

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Surfaced they would most surely be detected by radar - which most likely is what happens in the film


Yes, it likely did.
However you are looking at it from a position of omnipotent hindsight.
Back then... the Germans believed it impossible to have a radar small and compact enough to fit on an aircraft. Radar technology was in it's infancy and both the Japanese and the Germans (Despite other German cutting edge technology) lagged far behind.

Even late into 1944 when simply leaving the sub pens was virtually suicide for the U-Boats and in spite of all evidence to the contrary. German High Command refused to believe the British and Americans had Radar equipped aircraft.


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I was thinking about ship-borne radar.
Certainly the Germans did not know (for sure) by December 1941 that radar sets could be built small enough to fit into a plane (and it was impossible put it into an AT-6 😁)

But if they did not believe that the British had operative ship-borne radar they must've been masters of self-deception.

But, on the other hand, why not? The Germans had had ship-borne radar on board the Graf Spee in 1939, and they had developed their ground based anti-aircraft radar systems already in '39. Even then they (or at least the Luftwaffe, during The Battle of Britain) managed to operate on the assumption that the British did not have suchathing

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You should read the book. It's all explained there in details. As others have already answered, they couldn't stay too long submerged and traveling under water was much slower and consumed more fuel.

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