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Another sesationalist Rasputin movie.


I had high hopes for this russian Rasputin movie but it seems it´s just another sesationalistic Rasputin movie like all the rest. The only fairly accurate Rasputin movie is the one from 1996 starring Alan Rickman as Rasputin.
Why is Rasputin always portrayed as an evil insane monster? We know from serious books on the subject, such as Edward Radzinsky´s book Rasputin - the last word, that Rasputin was a person of many facets. He was generous to a fault f.x. That´s why he died poor instead of rich. He always gave money away. We also know that he truly was a religious person but as time went by he started to drink and having extra-marital affairs. Nothing is just black or white. Life is infinitely more complex than it´s representation in the mass-media! When are we going to see a historically accurate movie about Rasputin showing all sides of his personality instead of these "monster-movies"?

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LOL, for that matter, when are we going to see a historically accurate movie showing all sides of anybody's personality!


"Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression... is our lives!" - Tyler Durden.

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I too had high hopes, it let me down though

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I too had high hopes, it let me down though

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" That´s why he died poor instead of rich. He always gave money away. " Let's get him canonized then!

All his money he leached and stole from others, He didn't have to worry about money since he was so well connected with the royals.

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Do you have any examples of him leaching and stealing money?

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He was a total parasite. What job or business did he have except leaching off decadent nobles or foolish yokels?

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What job or business did he have? Well, he had a farm in Siberia which his family took care of when he was away in St. Petersburg.
In some ways you could compare him to the modern gurus who gets supported by their disciples. I´m quite sure he was´nt a saint in any way, shape or form. He had flaws to be sure, but I´m also sure he was´nt the "evil devil" his murderers portrayed him to be. If I was his murderer, I too would portray him like that, and myself as a hero for murdering him. The truth is´nt black or white (devil contra saint). The truth is probably somewhere in between. To be sure, some of the people who wanted to get to know him had their own reasons for doing so, because they knew he could put in a good word for them in the right places, so they brought him gifts and money and asked him to do so. So, I guess you could say both parties "leeched" off each other. And then we have the true "disciples" who partly supported him. I guess you could say all "gurus" are "leeches", but that´s not how their followers see them. They think they get a lot in return. Anyway, if you want to know the facts you should read Edvard Radzinsky´s book, "Rasputin - The Last Word", which is fairly objective, or at least more objective than most books on Rasputin which just keep repeating the old "evil devil" story, which began with the murderers own books and have been repeated ever since.

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He certainly was no devil, he was against the war because of all the suffering it caused the people. He was more like a symptom of how corrupt and incompetent Nicolas Romanov's reign was that such a man as he could get so far. Would a well led government and competent ruler let a man like him get any sort of influence, beyond his family's affections?

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Exactly! It was a corrupt regime and Tsar Nicholas was somewhat incompetent as a ruler, even members of his own family thought as much. That said, I think Rasputin´s political influence has been exaggerated to a point where all the anti-Rasputin books have portrayed him as practically ruling Russia. Of course, we´ll never know how big or how small his influence was in this regard since there´s no solid proof. There´s proof he had enough influence to get a certain person appointed as bishop of Tobolsk, and in the Tsaritsa´s letters to the Tsar, she tells her husband he should follow Rasputin´s advice and appoint Protopopov Prime Minister, and he did indeed become Prime Minister shortly before the dynasty collapsed, but who knows if he had´nt been appointed anyway.
That´s the only two instances where one can prove Rasputin had a say in appointments of ministers and clergy. That does´nt necessarily mean he did´nt have a say regarding other appointments, but it just can´t be proved and that has led to all kinds of speculations, some fairly reasonable and some not so reasonable.

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Keep in mind that most of these films were made under the Soviet regime, which would have a vested interest in making sure that Grigori Rasputin was seen as an evil man.

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