Didn't know he was gay


I'm so glad that I found this site, too. Funny, there was a comment that said the fact that this show was the first to feature a gay character in a lead role was beat to death. I had no idea! I was 7 or 8 when this show was on the air and just remembered it as a sweet show with Tony Randall. The funny thing is, I always wondered why the male and female leads never got together. Little kids are oblivious.


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As I recall, he wasn't gay on the show. I believe the writers originally made him gay, but the only way the network would air it is if he was asexual, a "confirmed bachelor." I'm not sure that comment commending this show for having the first openly gay lead character is accurate.

I was a little older than you when this aired, and my memory is sketchy, but maybe someone with a better recollection can confirm whether Sydney's gayness was actually addressed on the series. As I recall, he may have been gay in the pilot, but not when the rest of the series aired.

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Yes, he was supposed to be gay but it became a big issue and they dropped it. I remember seeing all of the shows and never recall it being mentioned. It could have been done in a sutble way but I would have missed it being an early teen at the time. Wow this country as come a LONG way.

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I seem to recall the occasional reference to "Martin" whose picture was on the fireplace mantle. It think Martin had died.

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tazguys,

since you saw all the episodess of Love, Sidney, do you remember the name of this particular episode? A beautiful, 20-something, blue-eyed, blonde woman in a blue dress falls in love with Sidney. But he declines gracefully. She leaves in tears, telling Sidney that whoever broke his heart doesn't know what she's missing. But she didn't know it was actually another guy.
I've been trying to find out who that actress was.

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Hey - not sure how I missed this. I have a vague recollection of a story line like this but I have no memory of the actress or even what she looked like. This was over 30 years ago... I remember Tony, Swoosie, and Swoosie's daughter. That's almost about it.

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"I was a little older than you when this aired, and my memory is sketchy, but maybe someone with a better recollection can confirm whether Sydney's gayness was actually addressed on the series."

Not directly in that he had dates, a boyfriend or anything like that, but for 1980 on network TV, the fact that when Sidney dated, he went with men, not women, was out and out blatant! Sidney was gay and that wasn't going to change any time soon, but at this point in his life, he was not "available."

I would like to share my recollection of one of the loveliest episodes aired on prime time network TV EVER. A young women whom Sidney is mentoring on the job gets a serious crush on him. Sidney is teased by Swoosie Kurtz's character, but he is aghast. How will he maintain his privacy while getting this bowheaded creature OUT of his life? He finally, explains to her in the most delicate and gentle way that the love of his life has left him, and he is not emotionally able to commit to another relationship. Something like this ensued:

"Who left you for dead? Who DID this to you that you can never love anyone else?"

Sidney (looking over her shoulder to the picture of his ex on the mantel): Don't hate . . . that person. . . ." (sigh I forget the rest).

That's letting someone down gently. Beautiful writing, directing and acting.

"Don't you get it? We're all connected!"--Tangents (1994)

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Thanks for your recollections of that episode. That's very poignant writing -- subtle but undeniable where Sidney was coming from, and where he (wasn't) going. I have always loved Swoosie Kurtz, and I'm sure she had great chemistry with Tony Randall -- even though, of course, the "chemistry" was, in a sense, the lack therof, if that makes any sense.

I didn't realize the series dealt that directly with Sidney's gayness. I only remember the uproar when he was going to be "out," and the backtracking the writers did after the controversy. Unfortunately, this is a show that I've read more about than actually seen. That makes the need for a DVD release all the more pressing. The bonus features and deletes scenes would probably be even better than the series.

Thanks again for piecing together that episode. I wish I had seen it then.

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Huh. I must've been about twelve years old when this aired and I just loved it. I don't remember a lot about the show, but I don't think I ever caught on to the fact that Syndey was gay.

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I think unless you read some of the press surrounding this series at the time, you wouldn't have realized Sidney was gay. I don't think they addressed it in the show – at least not directly.

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I thought this spun out of a TV movie. Sidney is gay, somehow meets Swoosie who is down on her luck. She movies in gets a job and then gets pregnant by a married man. At one point she asks who the man is in the picture and he hedges.

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That's possible, or that could have been the pilot. The TV movie doesn't appear to have been called "Love, Sidney," if that was the origins. This is one of those shows that I know better from the discussion it generated than what actually aired.

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Link for the two hour Pilot/Movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083076/

Sidney Shorr: A Girl's Best Friend

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Thanks for that. I wish I had seen it, but it seem like a pretty bad title for a movie, even one on TV.

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I am now 59 so I would have been 25 when this first came out and I remember that the character was definitely gay.

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This is actually a reply to the entire board but it's nested here for no reason in particular.

I was a young adult when this series aired, and I honestly don't recall anything in it that directly addressed Sidney being gay. However, I DO remember that it was quite obvious in the pilot movie - exactly what they did or how they did it, I don't remember. Because I loved the movie, and watched the show because of it, I guess in my own mind, Sidney was definitely gay and maybe that's why I don't remember whether the writers played it down or not.

Something else that might help provide more insight is that the AIDS crisis had only just begun to be public knowledge, and didn't really bloom full force on television until the mid-1980s, after Love, Sidney went off the air. The movie, An Early Frost, portrayed a young gay man (played by Aidan Quinn) who discovered that he had AIDS, and the difficulties he encountered when he told his family. Compounding the difficulty was the fact that he was not yet "out." The most surprising line in the movie came from his grandmother (played by the AWESOME Sylvia Sidney), who loved him and accepted him no matter what.

I think one of the underlying themes of Love, Sidney was that the "family" living in the apartment was made up of societal misfits - a gay man, a single mom, and a child born out of wedlock. None of these things were particularly acceptable at the time. One of the most touching scenes I ever saw in any TV show anywhere was when Patti comes home from school one day, extremely upset, and Sidney holds her in his lap and comforts her, and finally gets her to tell him what's wrong. She asks him, why did a little boy in her class call her a bastard? It was heartwrenching. It was as heartwrenching as the final scene in the film, after Laurie and Patti moved to California. The final scene shows Sidney eagerly opening an envelope from Patti, and smiling as he looks at the drawing she sent him. Then the camera pans out to show that his kitchen is full of drawings from Patti but Sidney sits all alone in his apartment.

When people talk about "the great Tony Randall," man, they're not kidding.

neat . . . sweet . . . petite

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This is a series that's known more for the initial controversy it generated before it aired rather than the actual episodes, and I must admit that much of my recollection of this is based on the press it received rather than the episodes I saw, which were only a handful.

I remember this as being a sweet but rather generic sitcom about a middle-aged man raising a girl, kind of like "Diff'rent Strokes" except with one white girl instead of two black boys. The hot-button issues of the day(homosexuality, out-of-wedlock birth) seemed to be barely mentioned, if addressed at all. I don't remember the "bastard" episode, but this was an era I wasn't watching much TV and this show slipped through the cracks with me shortly after it debuted.

As far as AIDS, I think the disease and the virus were far from public awareness when this show aired. The disease was initially called GRID (gay-related immune deficiency) and the term AIDS wasn't introduced until July 1982, a month after the last episode of this show aired. The first time I heard of the disease was on an episode of "20/20" in November 1982 about a "gay cancer," but it seems it wasn't until '83 or '84 or so that the disease took hold in the mainstream media. Anyway, I don't think AIDS was a factor in removing Sidney's "gayness" from the episodes that aired -- it was skittishness over sponsors.

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My recollections were all jumbled together, so my point got lost in the process of trying to make it . I brought up An Early Frost because it really was the first mainstream TV movie to focus on a main character who was gay. It is unfortunate that such a movie only came about because of AIDS, but then again, widespread acceptance of any minority culture is often preceded by a catastrophic event that affects, in particular, that culture.

When I considered WarpRecord's response, I also was reminded of another facet of Love, Sidney that I think was a subtle-yet-not-so-subtle point - that gay men did not have children (excepting, of course, gay men who, for whatever reason, choose to marry women and have families). The portrayal of Sidney, Laurie, and Patti as a family was a major step forward at the time. At the end of the pilot movie, Sidney seemed shocked that Laurie could actually fall in love with a man, marry him, and move away, because to him, Laurie and Patti were, in essence, his life companions.

WarpRecord - you're right that the buzz before the movie and the series is what is most remembered, rather than the series itself. But I would also posit that the series is also remembered for marking a shift in popular thinking - that gay men weren't just the leather dudes at Stonewall or effeminate fairies who love to do women's hair. Gay men like Sidney were just the guy next door - Sidney Shore may not have been the first gay TV character, but he certainly was among the first gay characters to have been portrayed as just-the-guy-who-lives-next-door. No special characteristics or clothes or taste in musicals - just a guy. Who happened to be gay.

neat . . . sweet . . . petite

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@warped record... the movie sidney shorr a girls best friend was the source for this show.
sidney was gay in the movie but the tv execs downplayed it for tv, another copout over homophobic america at the time,afraid that the show would tank if an openly gay man was the lead.the picture of a man on the mantle and the references made to martin were quite obvious as to sidney being gay of course..why they had him date a woman was obviously done to show how some gay men forced themselves into relationships with women as part of family peer pressure etc.thank god sidney was not written as one of those and smartly ditched the bitch..

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As I recall, there was one episode where a woman came into his life (not Swoozie Kurtz) and she fell in love with him. He rejected her, saying something to the effect that his heart had been so badly broken that he could never love again. She broke down in tears and said "Whoever she was, she doesn't know what she's missing." (or something like that - my memory is a bit sketchy too). Then the woman left. Then the camera zoomed in on the picture on the mantle, which was of a man.

I watched this show, but I can't say I saw every episode. But that is the closest they ever got to actually addressing his sexuality, as far as I know.

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In the episode in which the little girl sets the apartment on fire, they are all frantically running out and Sidney goes back to grab a framed picture of a man...the picture, I think, was always on the table in the background as a subtle reference to him being gay.

I said on another thread that I used to tape all the shows when vcr's first came out--I watched some of the episodes a million times, that's how I remember the details.

Please please please release a DVD of this show!!!!!

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He was gay in the original movie, not mentioned in the series.

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It was never mentioned directly, but it was alluded to on a couple of occasions. In one episode, he admits to a friend that he has romantic feelings towards a co-worker, and the friend assumes that he means his male boss. Then there is a mention of his former partner and a quick cut to the picture.

Can't give more details, as I haven't seen this since the original run. The only reason I remember this much is that this is the episode where I realized he was gay, a bit of an eye-opening moment for a 14 year old in the early 80s.





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I'm stunned to find out the character was "gay" I mean, he didn't grab my ass the entire time the show was on the air...


Same here! That's how I found out Jack was gay on Will & Grace. He just reached right out of the screen and goosed me!

You're so ugly, it's a fact!

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I actually remember talk of him being gay back when this show was first airing on TV. The only "evidence" I recall anyone producing was how often he referred to "my mother, that terrible woman...".

The only other thing I remember about the show is his line, "Everybody needs a Sidney." [cue audience: Awwwwwwwww!]

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