It seemed to me that was way out of character for Supes to go back and get his revenge. I never thought that he would be that egotistical for something like that. I guess the directors/writers felt they needed to send the fans home happy...
shareYep. It was the best scene in the movie to watch that major douchebag get owned.
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I loved when Superman got his revenge on that bastard! When he spun him in that chair, I thought for sure Rocky would puke his guts out!
shareThe whole scene is classic, from the "never seen garbage eat garbage before" line, the dude breaking his hand punching supes, supes laying his ass slap down on his own dinner tray, the guy eating his food while Rocky slides past him down the counter and then the douche finally landing butt first on the slot machine. Perfect. So enjoyable to watch.
If this scene was in man of steel or dawn of justice, they probably would've had superman beating him close to death with his bare fists in a realistic brawl of vengeance. On the other hand, Superman II was ingenious in how it got its tone down to perfection. A real crowd pleaser, something that sought to leave its audience happy instead of bogging them down with real world stuff. SII is pure escapist entertainment, the best form.
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"The whole scene is classic, from the "never seen garbage eat garbage before" line, the dude breaking his hand punching supes, supes laying his ass slap down on his own dinner tray, the guy eating his food while Rocky slides past him down the counter and then the douche finally landing butt first on the slot machine. Perfect. So enjoyable to watch."
Ahahaha yea, easily the best scene in the whole movie
Don't forget the part where he sat him on the barstool and spun him around at like 100mph! Oh man I laughed so hard the first time I saw that!
Absolutely !!!! My favorite part! Especially when the one guy at the counter keeps eating and doesn't miss a beat! Just swivels a bit and lets the douchebag zip by on the counter!!!! Hysterical!!!
shareit was sort of out of character for Clark to get revenge on anybody,but I'm glad he did. I would've if I had that advantage. What I never understood was how he knew he was in the diner?
shareMy guess was that he figured he comes there routinely. He saw how Rocky interacted with Ron as if he was a regular there...
While Superman typically wasn't about revenge, this one felt very justified. I agree that it is a classic scene. The guy completely deserved it. I also agree that it was done perfectly. Man of Steel had revenge scene with Superman destroying a guy's truck. This just seemed cruel and an over-reaction to me. It was far more out of character. In Superman II, he didn't seriously hurt Rocky here. It was mostly his pride that got hurt and he deserved it.
I would also point out that this is the type of humor than I loved in Superman II that isn't continued in its reboots. Superman II is the best super hero film of all time.
In regards to how did Superman know he would be there, it's clear from the movie that Rocky is a regular there. The people running the place know him by name.
What I never understood was how he knew he was in the diner?
I started a similar thread a while ago which has since been deleted and came here to ask about it again.
And the first time, the responses were the same. The very vast majority agreed that Supes did the right thing.
However it is refreshing to see at least one other poster I can agree with at thinking Supes did the wrong thing or questioning it.
Because, yeah, it does seem out of character for Supes to do this.
Yes, Rocky did sucker punch a very vulnerable Clark but now Supes has the upper hand and strength and advantage so it is no longer a fair fight. It would be like if I punched a 3 year old because he slapped me that didn't hurt at all.
And besides, if Rocky hadn't hit Clark then the waitress wouldn't have turned on the TV and Clark wouldn't have learned about the terrible trio taking over the US at that time.
So in a chain of events, Rocky in a way, helped save America or maybe even the world sooner than later.
And what thanx does he get? By getting sucker punched right back where two wrongs don't make a right.
Shame on those who think revenge was the right thing to do in this case.
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Thanx!
Yeah, people think they needed Supes to save face at the end and have Rocky be put in his place. I still think it's not necessary.
If Rocky hadn't hit Clark then the waitress wouldn't have turned on the TV and Clark wouldn't have learned about the terrible trio taking over the US at that time.Excellent and interesting point. I never thought of that...
So in a chain of events, Rocky in a way, helped save America or maybe even the world sooner than later.
If Superman would have just let it go then that would have shown at how better he is than everybody.
But since he goes back to beat up on Rocky, that just puts him down at the same level of pond scum that Rocky is.
By doing this, Supes shows that he is no better than the rest of us after all.
He should have been the bigger man in all terms.
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Thanx!
Supes didn't do it for revenge, he did it for us..
shareLook, misguided OP pal, he is Superman, but he is not Divine. He, like us, is fallible. He has flaws. In Superman: The Movie, Superman sins! He turns back time to save Lois Lane’s life! I both cheered and gasped when I saw that in the movie theater, because all sins have accountable consequences. He is an object of respect, not of worship. You hold him (and that is lower-case “h”) to a standard you have arrogated to yourself to define, and you do not have that right. Der Ubermensch, The Superman, was created by Frederich Nietzsche in Mensch und Ubermensch, the book on which Superman is based. He is human, hence, “over-man,” and not “god-man.” I am glad he kicked Rocky’s bullying ass. He struck a blow for humanity.
Not for nothing, a god (lower-case “g”) would have left Rocky as a pile of smoldering cinders. Superman showed remarkable restraint. I would have ripped him in half and drunk his blood, and laughed.
I'm sure that Superman told himself that he wasnt really getting revenge, he was helping out the citizens of that frozen hellhole by teaching the local bully that being an asshole has consequences. And he probably told himself that he wasnt really enjoying the process or anything.
I love this movie. Many superhero movies have tried to "humanize" their heroes before and since, but none has done such an effective and moving job. Or as entertaining. Clark trying to look innocent instead of smug was awesome.