The Train Scene


The movie starts with Woody on a train. You see different people, all interesting looking. Then suddenly they become people on the way to a concentration camp. And Woody tries to escape... Except that when I now looked at the DVD 30 years later, the concentration camp train is not in the scene. Can anyone tell me what happened to it? Or do I simply have a weird distorted memory here (which I doubt.)

By the way, 30 years ago I tended to listen to the critics who said Woody was attacking his fans. After seeing it again, I think it a brilliant film, one of his best.

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I've seen this for the first time on DVD only about 2 months ago, so I don't know if there was another version back in the day with a concentration camp scene, but I doubt it. The place they are going to is a junkyard, representing the place that all people go to after death, no matter if they were rich or poor, happy or miserable. At the end of the "movie in the movie", we see him on a train again -- although it's not the same train with the same people, it's still the same feeling -- and this time he's not panicking, because he has found love, and she's with him on the train, making it all bearable. Also remember, the producers in the movie were trying to change the ending, and there was an alternate ending in "Jazz Heaven" (dream though), so it further validates that the junkyard represents the place everyone goes to after death; not heaven, not hell, just a place for everyone.

I think this one and Annie Hall are his best films. I didn't see it as him attacking his fans, or producers, or critics; but he did ridicule all of them.







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I saw it when it was released in 1980, and have seen it since. There was never a scene with a train heading for a concentration camp. But I would still like to know why none of the passengers on the train were credited.

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That is kinda weird. Maybe they weren't credited because they were extras.

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I caught the end of Dr. Zhivago the other night and was struck by the similarities of this scene and the scene where Omar Sharif is on a train and sees Julie Christie on the street and desparately tries to get off the moving train to get to her, only to have a heart attack on the street. I just reminded me of this scene in a way and I wonder if Woody was influenced by that scene in Zhivago.

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Nitpicking, I know, but Omar Sharif was on a streetcar!

I would guess Allen had seen Doctor Zhvago. Commentators here point to Fellini's 8 1/2 as a large influence on Allen for this movie. (Fellini used automobiles instead of trains for his opening sequence.)

The trains used in Allen's movie are commuter trains once operating from Hoboken Terminal in New Jersey. They were retired in 1984 when the cars had seen between fifty and seventy years of service.

Even though the movie uses sounds from steam locomotives, the trains were actually electrically-powered.

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?20808

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