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Would this be successful if it came out now?


Late to the party, but I was underwhelmed by this movie. To be fair, I could see how this could have been groundbreaking in 1980. Compared to modern fare however, it just seemed too slow - even compared to contemporary psychological thrillers.

Is it just me, or is the case being made that this is good even by today's standards? (nostalgia notwithstanding)

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It would still get good reviews but it wouldn't be a box office hit because some of the dumbest movies make a killing these days.

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Idk the sequel star wars trilogy got good reviews and they were horrid!

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Not enough CGI, not enough jerky camera movement, not enough quick edits. No way today's audience would like it.

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Not enough jump scares. Or Ghosts whose powers/strength changes depending on the run time of the movie and who has plot armour.

Not one ghost runs up to the camera and puts its face in it for a 4th wall breaking jump scare.

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It wasn't even that big of a hit back when it came out in 1980. Actually, none of Kubrick's films after A Clockwork Orange were particularly successful financially. His most successful period was between Spartacus (1960) and A Clockwork Orange (1971). All of his later films were either moderately successful or at least made a slim profit internationally (even Barry Lyndon), but NONE of them were blockbusters. Only 2001: A Space Odyssey came close to being a true blockbuster.

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It would probably be seen today like we see modern “deep” movies by famous filmmakers. I imagine its reception would be similar to Paul Thomas Anderson’s The Master or Ridley Scott’s Prometheus upon their initial releases with them being not understood by general audiences but being brilliant film with incredible performances and deeper esoteric meanings.

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Lmfao, Prometheus “deep and esoteric”? Lol please

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Prometheus is good. Not as an Alien movie but as a stand alone start to a spinoff franchise it was good.

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It would have been okay if it had been its own thing. Unfortunately they tried shoehorning the alien franchise into it and utterly ruined the mythos. Need I mention the script is f*cling stupid (oh I have a worm in my eyeball, better not tell anyone!) and it’s literally a remake of the 2004 AvP movie.

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What about the 2 scientists wanting to pet the hostile alien snake?

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That part was even sillier. Especially because the bespectacled scientist, Milburn, is supposed to be a biologist of all things. And yet he’s trying to play with a clearly aggressive and hostile alien species.

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uhhh the fact is this movie becoming more and more beloved each year. this and the thing 1982 would be huge critical darlings had they come out today.

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Not likely, because it never would be made the same way today. It would be "Woke" and highly politicized. Those movies never do well.

In a 2021 "The Shining", Jack and all the ghosts would still be white, but Wendy would be black and Danny would be mixed race. It would become an allegory about how evil and oppressive and abusive whites are to people of color. The ghosts would symbolize the legacy of white racism.

This would all be not just a subtle, barely noticable thing like the supposed Indian issues in the 1980 film. This would be heavy-handed.

Oh, and Halloran would not die. He would heroically kill Jack and rescue Wendy and Danny and reclaim them from the evil white man and live happily ever after in a blatant slap in the face to the image of the irresponsible African American male.

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Take your medicine, incel.

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The "mediciine" you speak of consists of bad, preachy movies for everyone.

And how is it you consider me an incel when between the two of us, I am a married man and your sexuality is limited to masturbating with a carrot up your backdoor whenever Mom is at work?

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It doesn’t. It means Stanley Kubrick would never change his vision to fit with SJW stereotypes. And if you truly feel every movie has some sort of anti-white agenda, I suggest you start asking questions about yourself instead of others.

And HAHAHAHAHAHA sure. As if I’m not married either? Okay, pal. I hope your “wife” never sees the tin-foil hat crap you post on here.

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I hate to be the one to break the bad news to you, but Kubrick has been dead for over 20 years. If The Shining came out today as OP asked, it would quite possibly be directed by Jordan Peele, the modern king of horror, who happens to be Woke.

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get out was an excellent movie. you disagree?

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Whatever Get Out's artistic merits may be, it is a political statement first, and an entertainment second. I prefer not to be preached at when I want to be entertained.

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but ..
how can you tell when a black guy is just there ,
as opposed to when he's there to preach at you?

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Easy. Check the release date on the movie. Before about 2015, he's just there. After 2015, he's a "powerful slap in the face to White Supremacy and a lesson in the assertion of equality".

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i see , so black men are not allowed in movies now ? again.

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They could do just fine if they laid off the sermonizing and finger-waving and replacing traditionally white characters. Some of my favorite movies have protagonists or strong supporting black characters. I just don't want them telling me how evil and oppressive all us white guys are just because of the color of our skin. And they might try creating some original characters of their own for a change, instead of stealing all the white ones.

It must be an extremely limiting feeling to have every character that represents your race on film be some kind of symbol and not just a fleshed-out, regular character.

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You just don’t get it, lol

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Sure, I get it. The Left is using and manipulating black people as usual for political ends. Stirring up resentment against them with useless, unnecessary protests and misguided social movements instead of actually helping them to get on their feet. Then, when the Left gets what it wants, it leaves the blacks in the lurch. How many years have Chicago and Detroit been under Democrat leadership again? How's that going for the black population? Can't really say that Republicans are responsible for those helltowns, can you?

All that this Woke movie trend, like BLM, is doing, is to make blacks look like whiny, demanding jerks.

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So you really don’t get it. Yikes.

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So you really don’t get it. Yikes.


Translation: So you really haven't been brainwashed and white-guilted into submission. Yikes.

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Um, sure pal. The libs tied me up and pried my eyes open, A Clockwork Orange style, and forced me to watch, like, CNN or something.

OR (and this is a big “or”), MAYBE i just use my noggin to think about the positions of other people? And Alabama, Mississippi, West Virginia, Arkansas, etc. are desolate shitholes with rampant poverty and crime issues. Yet they largely vote red. How can this be?

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I don't care about hillbilly criminals any more than I do about gangbangers.

You're a little hypocritical, aren't you? When a black criminal gets killed by cops it's a hideous injustice and you all go march in the streets and riot, but if the deceased is a white hillbilly criminal, you just go "Meh. He deserved it because he was a deplorable."

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Of course not. It’s far too thoughtful and slow paced for the braindead ADD sheep that constitute the masses these days.

It would also rankle the Wokies for the portrayal of Wendy as an annoying idiot (esp considering she was strong and intelligent in the novel), plus Kubrick would be cancelled for his treatment of Duvall.

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