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The scary twins from The Shining thought the made-for-TV remake was "crap"


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Their screen time in The Shining is quite brief, but the ghostly Grady twins instantly became one of the 1980 movie’s most iconic images. Former child actors Lisa and Leslie Burns are forever (and ever) linked with the classic Stanley Kubrick film, and they don’t seem to mind one bit.

In a new interview with journalist Jamie Stangroom, the sisters dish on their experiences working with Kubrick and Jack Nicholson on one of the greatest horror movies ever made. They also have some very specific (and hilarious) feelings about the 1997 TV miniseries, famously scripted by source-material novelist Stephen King as a response to his dislike of Kubrick’s version. The twins are delightful and the only thing I don’t like about this interview is how short it is.

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Thanks, that was great.

And yeah, she's right... it was crap

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As one of the comments said, they are even creepier now :-)

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It certainly wasn't great.

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Hell, they're not wrong.

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That's because it is crap!

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It's definitely crap compared to Kubrick's film. But if you can somehow divorce the two and judge the mini-series on its own merits, there are some positives about it.

If nothing else, you at least have to acknowledge it's much more faithful to the book. I also thought Steven Weber's performance was pretty good, and there was some really good make-up work as well.

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Yeah, it is more faithful to the source material and I think the woman in 217 scene was very well done, but it just has this umbrella of cheesiness hanging over it that I cannot get past. I wouldn't even call myself a Kubrick purist (it's really the only film of his that I like tbh, maybe Full Metal Jacket & The Killing aswell) but at least he cut short the bullshit from King's novel and focused on the scary elements of the story, and then capitalized on them. Not to mention it's much more creepy and well made than the miniseries. Some movies are much better than the novel because they omit a lot of the rambling (The Godfather and Jaws are perfect examples) and I think The Shining is another good example.

It's funny because my dad is firmly on the novels side because he read the book and then saw the film on the big screen back in 1980 and hated it with a passion (still to this day). I think I was a little biased at first because of my dad but as I got older I just thought "Fuck It!" I prefer the movie personally irregardless of knowing the differences and detail from the novel.

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I actually just watched the mini-series for the first time a couple of years ago. I went into it with modest expectations, knowing that it didn't have a very good reputation and that it was made-for-TV. Perhaps it's because I didn't expect much that I was able to have a decent time watching it.

The positives for me were Weber's performance, the locations and sets they used, the make-up effects, and a story that is fundamentally interesting. I also liked the way that we really got to see Jack Torrance's slow descent into madness. I know one of King's biggest criticisms of Kubrick's film was that Nicholson played the character as if he was already crazy from the beginning, and he's right about that. Even in the very first scene as they're driving to the Overlook Jack looks unhinged, which obscures the power of the haunted hotel.

I also liked De Mornay's performance as Wendy. She certainly was a very different kind of Wendy than Duvall was, but not in a bad way, and again for what it's worth, is much more faithful to the book.

The biggest negatives are that awful fucking kid who played Danny, the way the story can slow to a dull crawl at times, and as you said, the fact that it's not even half as creepy as Kubrick's version.

I do like Kubrick's film and think its obviously the superior adaptation. I own the movie in fact. But even fans must admit that it's a weird movie that won't be for everybody. Since you are a fan though, if you haven't seen it, you should check out the documentary Room 237.

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I vaguely remember it. Not nearly as powerful as the movie, but I thought it wasn't bad for a mini-series and, yes, truer to the novel.

The biggest misfire IIRC was the use of inferior CGI to re-create the moving topiary creatures. In the book, they are described as moving at the periphery of Jack's vision... he doesn't actually see them moving. Only when he looks away and looks back does he realize they are closer.

They should have done it like that for the series too. Did you see the Night Gallery pilot about the 'moving' painting with Roddy McDowell? I see to remember a Twilight Zone ep with Bill Bixby with a statue that moves closer to him everytime he looks away and then back. Both of those were creepy/scary for NOT explicitly showing us the moving elements.

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Yeah.

King's mini-series are pretty hit and miss. My favorite is Storm of the Century. That one is awesome. But Rose Red was just okay. The first half of the The Stand was pretty good, but I thought the second half ran off the rails. The Langoliers is terrible. And I think The Shining falls somewhere in the middle. It had some positives and it had some negatives.

One of the negatives, as you mentioned, was the CGI. It is not good. The topiary animals come to mind, as does the attack of the fire hose when Danny is in the hallway. You're probably right that a more subtle approach would've been better for the animals. My guess is they were concerned some viewers just wouldn't find that frightening enough and they overdid it.

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I met them at Birmingham Collectormania,they were friendly.

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Difficult to beat a film made by the greatest director who ever walked the planet.

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