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The book is much better


Ugh... so I finally got around to reading The Shining and then couldn't wait to watch the movie on Netflix (I'm 37 - I know I am a bit behind on this one, being that it's a classic). As is usually the case, the book is much better.... I have to agree with King himself on this one. And it's not just because there are more details and facts presented in the book. This movie is 2 and a half hours long, so it could have gone into a little more depth. I respect Kubrick (and the eerie feel he could bring to a film) but sticking closer to the book would have made it a better film, in my opinion. SPOILERS ahead if you haven't read the book....

I'll start with the casting and the acting. I like Nicholson, and he makes a great lunatic, but Jack Torrance was supposed to slowly descend into madness. He seemed nutty after the first few scenes. Wendy, in the book, is a beautiful blonde; she also seems intelligent and unafraid to speak her mind. Duvall was hard to watch. She came across as a total dimwit in this movie (and is not easy on the eyes by any means). And the boy Danny.... the book portrays him as a precocious, sweet young kid with this crazy "gift". The movie version makes him practically mute - like no personality whatsoever. Also, what's with Tony "living in his mouth"? The weird grunting? In the book, Tony is actually a vision of Danny himself as he gets older, and he shows him things to come.

So many good parts of the book were either left out all together or changed around. Where were the hedge animals that moved (at least in the minds of Danny and Jack)? Those scenes were scary as hell in the book, much scarier than the maze. Hearing the elevator noises for the first time? Jack reading about the actual history of the hotel - and why it is that it's haunted with so many spirits from the past? How about the hotel (and all of its ghosts) going up in flames at the end because Jack forgot to tend to the boiler (his biggest reason for being at the hotel in the first place). He just freezes to death in the snow instead? WEAK!! Lol. Dick Hallorann DID provide them a getaway vehicle in the movie, but it's a shame his part seemed so disrespected (by killing him off). I could name a lot more.

Lastly - what was the point of that framed picture in the movie of Jack being at the ball in 1921? That was random - like "he was there" hahaha. So dumb.

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Your title should be "to some people the book is much better"

After all not everyone shares that opinion.

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Lol.... true, but we all post our opinions here, right? Mine is that the book is much better. Which it is. ;)

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No, it's not.

... there has been technological advancement, but how little man himself has changed.

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EXplain why.

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As a whole I can't agree that the book is any better, let alone much better. The changes to the plot were pretty much justified. Kubrick couldn't figure out a way to make the hedge animals work without looking ridiculous, and I like the hedge maze much better anyway. Hallorann's death sucked since he was such a likable character, but his murder let us know that Jack wasn't messing around. You also have great additions like the creepy hallway twins and Jack's "novel". I did miss the backstory of the hotel though.

The characters I don't even compare because they're actually just completely different characters, and although they may be less sympathetic than the ones in the book they strike me in many ways as more realistic. Especially Danny, who you say has no personality but to me comes across as a greatly traumatized child thanks to the constant bombardment of horrifying visions. And Wendy, who is no longer confident or attractive, strikes me as a woman who would more plausibly find herself stuck in a marriage to an abusive psychopath. As for Jack Torrance, we may have lost a sympathetic anti-hero but we gained one hell of a villain.

And the ending isn't dumb. On the contrary it's there to make you think. Is Jack a reincarnation? Was he slipping in and out of the past? Or has the hotel just absorbed him? It's the same type of thing Kubrick did with 2001. He took King's story and made it his own.

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I sorta of agree with the OP, the book is wonderful and Dick Hallorann is the hero in book and spoiler he doesn't die. He actually plays a pivotal role in the sequel novel Dr. Sleep. '

All that said I love the movie too! 😀

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I have read the book and seen the film many times. To this day I still say the film is better. One of my bigger reasons is. A Much better ending in the film and the people in the story are more believable. In the book I couldn't buy the jack is good, jack is bad, oh wait, jack is good again. Completely did not work for me. People talk about Jack loving his family and being a good man in the book. I did not see that in the book. I saw a man who secretly hated his family but he hid it better in the book. Much like jack in the film,Jack is the villian!! Also Wendy in the film you could believe she would stay with a man like jack. in the Book, Not so much.

Hedge animals vs a maze. The maze was more believable and fit into the Overlook is a maze of it's own in which jack gets lost in.

The film is much more Complex than the book or King just didn't go far enough with his ideas and Kubrick saw that. So in the film we have a Delbert Grady and a Charles Grady. We also have a jack Torrance and a Mr Torrance. Much more complex than the book and more thought provoking. The bathroom scene is thought Provoking more than most films alone.

The ending of the film vs the book. In the book things were building up nicely, But the ending was anti Climatic. It was like a Disney ending. The freezing to death in a maze was Epic!! Jack freezes to death in a maze much like the Overlook is a Maze and of course what is in the Overlook Lives on. Forever and ever and ever. Quite a bit more Creepy with the music playing over the tour of the Overlook.

Also In the film there are hints that jack has been at the Overlook before much the same as the book. But the film plays with that idea differently or go father into that idea and for that reason is much better. The photo at the end Confirms that Jack was at the Overlook in some form in the past.


The very fact that we are still talking about the film after 36 years shows that the film is timeless and a true Classic.

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I wish there were more Stephen King films that had been vastly improved by Kubrick, actually.

WHY does King hate this particular film out of the many that have been made from his writings - so much? For someone who is revered as the expert on horror, he should keep it in his pants, and not up on the screen. THE SHiNiNG film is more disturbing for me than anything King invented. And that's precisely because Stanley knew how to film a location in a way that even a brightly-lit hotel in a horror masterpiece becomes more terrifying than any other King invention ever was.
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Kubrick's film - will always be the definitive version of THE SHiNiNG.

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Stephen King should just be grateful that Stanley Kubrick adapted his novel in the first place. He just needs to accept that once it is in Stanley's hands, it is his movie and he can manipulate it as he pleases.

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Kubrick did away with the hedge animals because the available effects back then were not up to the job.

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...and they sure weren't up to the job in 1997 either.

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I too was disappointed when I first saw the movie. The book is just so visceral and hallucinogenic in its imagery, I find it hard to believe when people say that the technology at the time simply wasn't up to creating the hedge animals and other weird shenanigans like a living fire hose. This was the same Kubrick who made 2001, whose revolutionary special effects still hold up to this day and far outclass anything in The Shining.

One of the best scenes in the book is when Jack actually notices that the hedge animals are following him and moving closer every time he turns his back. This is a scene that doesn't require computer effects or advanced visuals, but a simple use of camera trickery and changing perspective. Along with so many other great scenes that add so much foreboding atmosphere, like the wasps' nest, or Jack finding the scrapbook in the basement detailing the hotel's past.

But at the end of the day, Kubrick wasn't interested in adapting King's The Shining. He just took the bare bones of the story and revamped it into his own vision. Stanley obviously didn't want the supernatural side of things to be too overt. In the book, the entire plot point of Danny's shining bringing out the ghosts of the hotel, and the Overlook wanting to absorb Danny's power by possessing Jack, is sort of glossed over in the movie.

In the end, the film is a paranormal haunted house/slasher, whereas the book is a supernatural thriller.

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Kubrick wanted the hedge maze. He only said the topiary animals weren't possible because he knew that the rabid King fans would expect an explanation why every single word from the novel wasn't uttered by every character, and bitch.

And bitch they certainly have.
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Yeah, he wanted the hedge maze in order to rewrite the ending (which was a little weak in the novel).

I always expected Kubrick to say he didn't care for the book, but was surprised to read that he considered it "ingenious" and "exciting."

Obviously he was more interested in the basic plot, and he rewrote the characters and certain story points to suit his own style.

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I think Kubrick genuinely liked the book. What he didn't believe in were the justifications that were given for Jack's behavior. He didn't think it would work in film. And he was right, we only have to watch the Miniseries for proof. A sad sack/remorseful Jack does not work. It blunts the drama and the horror of the story.

But he didn't extensively rework the plot. Its still the same story. What he did do was invert certain sections. Wendy is strong in the book, but fearful in the film. The hotel dies in the book but lives in the film. Jack is redeemed/Jack is cursed. Halloran survives/he is murdered. These changes are so pointed but ambiguous on film. So much so that many theories have been made regarding them.

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Preface, I like the book and the movie equally. And mega spoilers abound...

I think the book was kind of unfilmable, as far as 1980 technology went. The key scenes were the fire hose (Danny 2nd bad sight and the first that didn't go away) and the topiary. The only way to film either was a Ray Harryhausen stop motion animation. Very expensive, especially since the topiary has to be done twice. Also, Jack decent into madness was brought on by the scrapbook in the novel. To make that work, the viewer is forced to read umtpeen newspaper articles. Yawn. So Kubrick is force to build these plot elements in different ways. He substitutes the topiary with the Grady girls, very effectively. But he just has Jack's cheese slide off his cracker. Could have been done better.

As far as the ending, I believe the owners of the Timberline Lodge weren't happy about blowing up their hotel. They made Kubrick change Room 217 to 237, a room that didn't exist. I read somewhere they didn't want guests thinking that the place had a crummy boiler and might go boom. So new ending was written.

One big advantage in the film was the ax. Sorry, a roque mallet isn't that scary. Yeah, its deadly, but I could beat someone to death with my laptop. Jack's shiny axe was terrifying.

One thing that the movie was way inferior was the elevator. The blood pouring out has no connection to anything. The book elevator, moving on its own filled with party favors was much better.



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Whatever.
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Kubrick's film - will always be the definitive version of The Shining.

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Whatever.


Hmm, taking this so personally that you cannot even respect the opinions of others?

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I find it hard to believe when people say that the technology at the time simply wasn't up to creating the hedge animals and other weird shenanigans like a living fire hose


I'm happy that idiocy like the hedge animals coming alive and attacking didn't make it into the movie. That seemed like something a 12 year old kid would write for his creative writing class assignment, and if filmed, would most likely elicit laughter.

But at the end of the day, Kubrick wasn't interested in adapting King's The Shining. He just took the bare bones of the story and revamped it into his own vision. Stanley obviously didn't want the supernatural side of things to be too overt. In the book, the entire plot point of Danny's shining bringing out the ghosts of the hotel, and the Overlook wanting to absorb Danny's power by possessing Jack, is sort of glossed over in the movie.


I agree with this, but I think that this made for a better movie than a direct adaptation would have been, in the same way that Spielberg's adaptation of Jaws had far more merit as a movie than Benchley's rather trashy book. Since King's novel is hardly a literary classic, it isn't as though it's some sort of sacrilege to as you say take the basic skeleton of the story and move it in a different direction.

In the end, the film is a paranormal haunted house/slasher, whereas the book is a supernatural thriller.


One person axed to death doesn't make this film a "slasher," any more than the funny scene of Clemenza teaching Michael to make spaghetti sauce makes The Godfather a comedy.

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The weeping angels from 'Doctor Who' are similar to the hedge animals, in the sense they get closer each time you look away, and are more threatening each time you look back, and they're terrifying, so I think it could work on screen.

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One person axed to death doesn't make this film a "slasher,"


No, but King's removal of the characters' humanity does. They seem arbitrary and lifeless.

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I think that Harry guy really likes you.

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He reported me.

Some people take this crap way too seriously.



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LoL!!

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