I've always wondered~do you think this "gift" is from God or the devil? I mean, "Cal" and his father believe that with this much power, it's the devil. Personally, I believe that if a person can take away someone else's pain, how can that be a bad thing? God is about love, and through "Edna Mae", he's showing that love, by taking away the bad. What do you think?
shareI lean toward God myself. I doubt the devil would send Edna Mae to heal people.
shareI feel so as well. At least not the Deceiver, in light of not seeing an evil end. Edna does choose acts of concupiscence, without prudence.
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The devil does not exist. I think this is also the point of view of the film. There is just the power of the universe, call it what you will.
shareEyes are closed.
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Your mind is closed. forcing your myth of choice onto a movie does not make you "eyes open". It's so.. cliche.
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm2339870/
*Evidence for the Bible--Historical secular writings in addition to Church and manuscript writings.
The Gap between the writing of the document and the first available manuscript for, Aristotle, Plato, Caesar, Tacitus, Thucydides, Herodotus is 700-1,400 yrs. Of which very few exist (best case average is approximately 20 for any given historical work), New Testament manuscripts number in the multiple-thousands.
The Gap for the Gospel of John 30-80 yrs. Fragment of John 18, John Rylands University Library in Manchester, England 117-128 AD. The distinguished philologist Adolf Deissmann has argued that it should be dated even earlier.From the time John wrote the gospel of John from the first manuscript we have. Nothing from antiquity approaches from the day of writing to that first manuscript. There are 5,000 individual Greek manuscripts that contain all or part of the New Testament.
CK--'No comparison. The manuscript evidence ,the number for the New Testament is so superior to any document of antiquity, it's fascinating...We have 42 people who wrote within 150 yrs of Christ about Jesus Christ, we have 10 of Tiberius Ceasar's life. he was the most famous man of his day. For someone to try to argue Jesus is not an historical figure, is really embarrassing.'
-Cliffe Knechtle
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Chris Rasmussen ~ I have no argument whatsoever with Jesus as a benevolent historical figure; I seriously doubt the tale of a magical zombie who’s mom was impregnated by a ghost, offers eternal life in an alternate dimension if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that entered humankind when a woman, fashioned from a rib, was persuaded by a talking snake to eat an apple from a magical tree.
shareand since you chose to have an emotionally bound outlook, such is your opinion. You can't understand what you chose to not to.
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There is only one reputable historical mention of Jesus: by Josephus... and all he wrote is that Jesus' brother, James, had been arrested and that some call Jesus the Messiah. That's all, other than the Gospels (which have no corroboration and contradict each other in many ways). All the details of Jesus' life, especially the supposed miracles, are not rationally verifiable (which is why "faith" is said to be required). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and "faith" is not logic or reason.
Funny that you claim rational thought is "emotion bound" while your flimsy and fantastical beliefs are all based on emotion and unverifiable, fantastical claims.
Maybe you should research something before making such absolutist statements.
http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources
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IMDB Troll Doctrine:
http://www.newmoondesigns.net/troll-doctrine
The page you suggested uses the word "Evidence" a lot.
But tbh I think the meaning of this word eludes both you & the writer.
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"Zombie"..."Ghost"...not only wrong, but unoriginal.
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It's the Devil since this was originally intended to be a sequel to The Exorcist!
"You can't kill the boogeyman!"
- Tommy Doyle
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I think it is supposed to be from a benign source. Maybe just from her, maybe from God.
share
I know this is a late response, but this was to be "a sequel to The Exorcist?"
Where are you getting that? The facts say that it was supposed to have the TONE of a film like The Exorcist Ellen B. didn't want to do it that way and only agreed to do the film when it was more about healing. And by the way, this was supposed to be inspired by a real healer.
It doesn't HAVE to be from God nor Satan. Why do people always think that something that is out of the ordinary has to be attributed to either? As Ellen's character stated, she did what she did out of love. That's good enough for me!
shareI agree with hippiedj... I think that attributing her healing powers to God or the Devil is beside the point. She attained this power after her car accident, and it is what it is. Sam Shepard's character couldn't accept Edna's powers without assigning an religious context, and I believe there was no religious context one way (God) or the other (Devil). It just happened, and part of its beauty was its ambiguity. JMHO
...and nobody beats The Riz!
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Oh, I don't believe, in general, that the power to heal coming from God is 'beside the point' ...I believe that Edna believes it is 'beside the point' ...Edna doesn't assign a religious context to her healing powers, and that's what ultimately turns Sam Shepard against her.
I meant no offense.
...and nobody beats The Riz!
Hm, love a force, an effort to transform physically?
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1. Some god like inference.
2. Which god?
3. The Metaphysical tests seem to imply telekinesis(?)
4. God, of the Bible, Father of Jesus, is sovereign, can use a person for His purpose, can allow.
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"inspired by a real healer"
It's all a fairy tale.
There is no such thing as the devil.
- Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine
God.
The Devil is not supernatural, but a manifestation of Man's -- or a man's -- ego and voluntary disassociation from God and God's will. And while that can be very powerful, creating even sexual orgasms when people axe murder each other to death, it's not supernatural in the least.
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