Was Mukhtar Sunni or Shia?


Anyone know?

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Probably Sunni. These differences were not as apparent as they are today.

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yeah he was a sunni

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He was Libyan.

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Omar Mokhtar was the leader of Senussi's in Libya (the real leader was in exile). The Senussi's are/were sunni, but that's really besides the point. Why is everyone making such a big deal about sunni/shia differences? While we're bickering about our petty little differences our brethren around the world are either being killed, oppressed or are sadly killing each other.

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Definitely Sunni, check for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Muslim_distribution.jpg

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Why you guys even bother? Do you knows the difference between Sunni and Syi'ah?

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We knows.

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At that time there were no much conflict betwwn Shia & Sunna...In fact, it all became visible in the 80's at the peak of the Wahabis Authority in K.S.A controlling the most respected country by Muslims and spreading the hatred

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The 'hatred' started with the Shee'ah who hate and consider as apostates the Companions of the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. The reform movement of ash-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab, may Allah have mercy on him, actually restored and restated the revealed doctrines of Islam in their purity: that Allah Almighty should be singled out for all worship; that He should be worshiped only in the way as demonstrated by the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace; that the Companions, may Allah be pleased with them, faithfully and accurately transmitted the teachings of Islam from the one to whom the Qur'an was revealed; that they are to be respected and followed, not abused and slandered, as done by the Shee'ah, past and present.

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He was Sunni... I am a muslim from Egypt, so believe me !

It is not common, though not impossible, to meet Shia in Africa. Most of them are in Asia, in Iran, Iraq and Syria.


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Asalamalaikum,


I would just like to say to all those who believe in Sunni or Shia or anything else related to sub-divisions of islam, this is against the Quran, Surah 6 Verse 159:


“As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast No part in them in the least, their affair is with Allah, He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.”


Therefore it would be best for all of us to refrain for lableing ourselves and others, Allah knows best.

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You're right my brother. I was just explaining for those who started the thread, for western people don't undderstand exactly where sunnis and shia live. I don't care for these subdivisions myself.

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Interesting point for an utopistic faith-based view of the world, but try to tell that to the people who have been slaughtering each other in Iraq for the past few years: thay seem to DO care about these and other subdivisions.

And that is just the beginning of the story, my friend.

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Absolutely right. I used to support Palestinians, but now wonder had all Jews magically disappear wouldn't they still all be at each other throat because of their religious differences within the Islam?

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The Palestinian question has got little to do with the problems within Islam or even among religions; let's face it, the region is a hotbed for warfare and it has been for centuries before Islam even existed due to its strategic position as a bridge between the East and the West: Alexander the Great knew it, the Persians knew it, the Romans knew it, the crusaders knew it, the British empire did and Zionists certainly knew it too.

Who controlled the region could (and to a certain degree still can) hold the rest of the world by the balls and who wouldn't like a piece of that?

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Well I am increasingly starting to belief that Palestinian violence resonates with the Bedouin saying: ""I against my brother [i.e. the particular strain of Sunni or Shia) , my brothers and I against my cousins [Sunni or Shiah] , then my cousins and I against strangers [i.e. Jews]"

In this mindset, there would be always someone to fight even if the entire world was a single caliphate, since there would be always someone with a slightly different interpretations of the Islam than your. And depending on who holds reigns of power, "heretics" will be discriminated, ostracized, prosecuted, jailed and even killed. The way Saddam Hussein treated Shiah and Bashar al-Assad treats Sunni. So I think religious zealotry, not only geopolitics, is pertinent here.


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I sincerely doubt that a mindset alone turns you into an assassin, at least not in the vast majority of cases, even when religious bigotry is involved; I wish I could say otherwise but things just aren't that simple and the more I see the less I believe there's a one way argument that explains everything.

Just to point out a well too obvious fact there hasn't been a people at any place or at anytime in history that have massacrated each other to the extent that white Europeans have done, not even remotely so, and right in an age where religious fundamentalism had mostly dissolved and differences between factions where hardly even considered.

Just because a lifetime has hardly gone by since then doesn't mean we can afford to think we have reached a permanent "nirvana" of peace and prosperity; the cogs haven't stopped revolving for us as for anybody else.

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Well I am just reading a biography of Samuel Rashdi, and it's very disconcerting how the Muslim world reacts towards any real or perceived slight.

True: European countries massacred each other in the last century, basing on the racial and ethnic differences as well as religious one. So I am not suggesting that religion is solely to blame for violence in the Middle east, however it is used as a powerful demarcation between IN and OUT groups.

The cure is liberalism, cosmopolitanism and for better or worse globalization. However reactionary forces are strong and unyielding and religion is a very powerful "meme", so I don't have much hope for the Middle East for at least this next two decades. Perhaps as cell phones and Internet and TV Cable is propagated into the most remote areas, there would be some change, but then perhaps people will remain clingy and unyielding of their old tribalistic mindset and use the social media to reinforce its own rigid beliefs rather than loosen them.

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Reading a book or even a dozen, may be by even the greatest scholar in the world in a particular subject, will not give anyone a full picture of the reality, and sometimes what is left out, even the tiniest, most apparently insignificant detail, may turn out to be more important than the whole rest of the picture just like in an Holbein painting.

The matter of fact is that there's no such thing as a "Muslim world" just like there's never really been such thing as a "Christian world", these are just cliche' terms like East and West: definitions created purely to make simpler, logical associations within a multi-layered discourse.
A system of beliefs however strong and comprehensive cannot reduce the condition of hundreds of millions of people of different languages, traditions, environment and economic reality to a unified purpouse: the Muslims living in Morocco, Albania, Indonesia, Oman or Russia have so little to do with each other it would hardly make any difference if they where actually living on different planets and hardly anyone knows this better than Islamic fundamentalists, their tactics are no different than those of most other radical groups of any credo all over time and places: forcibly try to unite the factions by encouraging fight against a "common enemy" and kill those within the same faith who are not fit for purpouse.

You said right that liberalism and globalization might be the cure for better... or worse! Infact I see no reason to be very much positive about the future: while in the Middle East they might be locked in a physical power struggle here in the west we are locked into a bogus economical system that has created very few "Czars" controlling the market while the rest of the population wonders where the next sh*tstorm it's going to come from, and I see no reason why it shouldn't come, it's just a matter of time.
So will have to see wether it's not too early to get "physical" again, and in all frankness religious, racial or ethnic differences hardly played any part in European warfare from the Napoleonic wars right down to WWII.

Napoleon had no racial or religious issues in his agenda apart from a "globalizing" one (under his own idea of globalization that is), altough he did get his bottom licked by few cardinals and the Pope on the way to the top I doubt it would have made much difference if they had been there or not at all to the overall picture.

I get increasingly fed up with so many internet morons that, apart from falling into the usual "Godwin law" trap, can't find a better a argument for the explantion of the rise of Nazism than to either blame atheists or religions: in truth both sides are absolutely full of scheisse.
The matter of fact is that Germany was in a catastrophical economic downwards spiral by the early 30s and when a population is gripped by fear, famine and uncertainty, they become much more vulnerable and willing to listen to whoever charismatic "preacher" of turn can give them a convincing way out of their misery: this is true for Germany as it's true absolutely anywhere in the world, in 1933 as it will be still true in 2933.

Antisemitism might have had its old roots in Christian bigotry but by then many far more convinging and "pragmatic" damning arguments had been created to fuel the hate, social, economic, scientific.. you name it: "Jews have created communism", "Jews are spreading immorality", "Jews own the central banks", "Jews have caused the 1929 crash", "Jews are social leeches", "Jews are an inferior race" (there where scores of "serious" scientists backing up this argument under the flag of Social Darwinism, which was a very serious and respected, and somewhat not entirely forgotten now, secular science).
Ultimately the argument that Jews where evil because "they killed Jesus" wasn't really flying very high in the Jew-bashing field back then and the exact same thing is going on right now, there's a simple Google task to do to prove that.

Even if Judaism and Christianity would have not existed in the first place are we sure that people would have just stuck together in a warm embrace like in a John Lennon song? I honestly don't think so, not by a long mile, certainly not while "flags" of all kind exist to keep the world apart and you don't need to be Noam Chomsky to see that.

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