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Hollywood Knights CONSPIRACY THEORY


I've loved this film for a long time, and accept it for what it is... a no-brainer teen comedy that is fun to watch. You can pick apart the editing, motivation, and filming all day long, but in the end, it is a funny, funny movie...

The only thing that has bothered me about this film is that if you look at the film stock and lighting, it looks like they made Hollywood Knights on a shoe-string budget with Wuhl and Drescher, wanted to release it, but didn't have enough story/ minutes, or what they considered star power, to release it. Then they filmed the Tony Danza/ Michelle Pfeiffer scenes later, and added them to the film. When you watch the movie, the Danza/Pfeiffer scenes are totally set apart from the Wuhl/ Drescher scenes, and those characters never interact, or even acknowledge, each other. The production values for the Danza scenes are much better, and the scenes don't have anything to do with the funny plot of the movie. When I watch the film, I just fast-forward throught those scenes.

At the time this was filmed, Tony Danza had gained popularity on the TV show "Taxi," and coulod have been seen as having A little drawing power. I don't think Michelle Pfeiffer was a sta in anything- just drop-dead gorgeous.

Has anyone else thought of this, or have information that my suspicions are correct?

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It has been years since I've seen Hollywood Knights, but I used to watch it over and over again (it was my cousin's favorite movie back in the early 1980s, and nearly every time we had a sleepover, it went into the VCR). It was a very funny movie, and one of the real underrated comedies of the period. But now that I look back on the film and remember the scenes, I think dsimpson41 may be onto something. Back when I used to watch it, even though I was only 12, 13, 14, I used to think the Danza/Pfeiffer scenes seemed out of place in the movie. I also agree with some of the people on the board who feel like the Jimmy Shine scenes seem tacked on, too (even though they were poignant and added real drama to the film). I've never seen a DVD commentary or read any "making of" accounts of this film, so I can't say for sure that this was the case. But Hollywood Knights always seemed to me like two different movies - mostly comedy, but some drama kind of thrown in for good measure. The comedy works. The drama is a mixed bag (Pfeiffer/Danza seemed pointless, but Jimmy Shine added to the film, IMO). I wouldn't be surprised if there's just a straight 100% comedy version of this film floating around out there somewhere, a shorter version (i.e., without the Danza/Pfeiffer and Jimmy Shine scenes).


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Having viewed the film with the commentary on(of the director) I'd have to say while this theory seems to have some basis...the commentary sort of knocks it down. When you listen to the track you get the sense that these two separate things were done that way on purpose...to create two parallel storylines. They each served their own purpose. With that being said the OP still might be on to something and as his reasons are sound. To top that off I also preferred the Newbomb scenes and didn't think much of the Pfeiffer/Danza scenes.

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The scenes with Danz and Pfeiffer were done at the same time as the rest of the movie. Danza was the only "name." There was a portion of the film that took place at a high school, but it all cut from te film.

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My problem with this movie is that it's just not reality based. How many vicious nasty things could you do to police before they arrest you and through you in jail. The story is supposed to take place in Beverly Hills which from what I undertand is a tremendously upscale community how much of it would the people there put up with-then or now. Plus there's a lot of anachronisms, too many things that just don't fit ...

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And there's no such thing as Zombies either but people watch them on TV every week... If you want realism in movies about what people can and cannot get away with Never watch anything but documentaries..

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Hmmm. You may be right. We'll never know though. I liked the Danza/Pfieffer scenes.

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I doubt that your theory holds true. Only because when Newbomb sees Tarzan for the 1st time in the film, Tarzan asks about where Duke was (Danza's Character). And Newbomb says "I don't know,who cares" & I think the 2 story lines are separate because Danza's character was older and more concerned about Jimmy Shine going to Vietnam & Phifer's Character going to her audition than about playing the prankster role. It gave the movie some heart. Just my thoughts, Hope they help

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Michelle Phieffer was unknown at this time, the same for Robert Wohl and Fran Dresher.

The only "known" person in this film was Tony Danza who was a a very minor tv star on "Taxi."

They're obviously ripping off "American Grafetti" so that's what the parallel story lines are all about.

But you're right in that we never see Danza interact with the other members of the film. Danza doesn't even fit in this movie, it's like what is Tony Banta doing there? And his character's part seems like a separate movie at times.

It could be that the Danza part was just tacked on like you said to showcase at least one person with name recognition.



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You schmucks just don't watch enough movies made in the late 1970's. Nearly every ensemble comedy had multiple subplots with varying degrees of poignancy. This was as true of HOLLYWOOD NIGHTS as it was of ANIMAL HOUSE, or CAR WASH, or SCAVENGER HUNT, or THANK GOD IT'S FRIDAY, or 1941, etc.

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Danza does interact briefly when they're all cruising and he loses to the Cobra. They pull up and give him crap for coming in 2nd. Then the cops pull up and tell him to pull over....he does a burn out and takes off.

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Did you know that a line was cut from their scenes that would have honored a classic Elton John song?

Michelle Pfeiffer: Hold me closer, Tony Danza!


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