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Harvard scenes unintentionally funny


I watched this movie last night for the first time and I couldn't stop laughing during the Harvard scenes at the beginning. First of all I had no clue what John Hurt's big speech was about, because I could only understand about a third of what he was saying, so I started laughing uncontrollably because it seemed like I was being pranked by this incoherent scene that was dragging on forever and ever. What made it even funnier was how it constantly kept cutting to Chris Kristopherson laughing and that girl who's staring seductively at John Hurt. What really caused me to die laughing was the insane scene that came next... hundreds of people dancing outside in a perfectly choreographed way. This dancing scene dragged on forever and for the second time I felt like I was getting pranked. And it kept cutting to that same unknown girl up in the window, which I found hilarious. I actually thought the rest of the movie was pretty good and I gave it a 7/10 overall but I think the Harvard scenes were very unintentionally funny.

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Here's my interpretation of what the Harvard scenes meant:

When we first see Jim Averill (Kris Kristofferson) he is running late. His tardiness is a character flaw he has throughout the movie. He puts off making a commitment to Ella (Isabelle Huppert) and he hesitates before deciding to join the settlers in their battle against the Association.

The Reverend Doctor (Joseph Cotten) tells the graduating class that they have a responsibility to use their wealth and knowledge to help the less fortunate and educate the nation. In contrast, Billy Irvine (John Hurt) gives an irreverent speech that supports maintaining the established order of things. It shows that Billy and most of his classmates are not serious about improving conditions for the poor and uneducated and are preoccupied with their own self-interest.

The girl that Jim keeps looking at is beautiful, but we don't know much about her beyond that. Jim keeps a picture of her when he is in Wyoming twenty years later. I think Jim's attachment to the beautiful girl from his past prevents him from marrying Ella. In the film's epilogue, we learn that Jim returned to the east after Ella's death, resumed an upper class lifestyle, and reunited with the girl he met at Harvard. However, the girl Jim was infatuated with is now a spoiled and idle woman and he appears to be miserable. I believe she represents the disillusionment of his youthful ideals.

During the Harvard graduation celebrations we see a large group of people dancing in circles. Later in the day a group circles a tree, which degenerates into a brawl as students compete to retrieve a wreath of flowers from the tree. This tree ritual was an actual Harvard Class Day tradition during the 19th century and it foreshadows the violence that the wealthy cattle barons would later resort to in Wyoming. The circle motif is also used in the roller skating sequence and the climactic battle between the settlers and the Association. The splendour of the dance at Harvard contrasts with the hardships faced by the immigrant settlers in Wyoming.

The scenes at Harvard end with Billy lamenting that the joyful time he spent at the university is now over. Twenty years later, Billy and Jim both miss their youth and are dissatisfied with how their lives turned out.

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I was sure that there was a clear meaning behind all of it but I felt that the delivery was very disorienting and I disconnected from it completely. But I loved the rest of the movie, which had good acting and has some of the most beautiful images Ive ever seen on film.

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I believe the Harvard speeches were based on writings from the 19th century. The film's end credits mention "Harvard Class Orations and Poems by: Charles Edward Grinnell, 1862, Frank Sumner Wheeler, 1872, James Holden Young, 1872, Andrew Peabody, 1874". Viewers may have trouble understanding what Cotten and Hurt were saying because of the old-fashioned language being used.

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<< that girl who's staring seductively at John Hurt. >>

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