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A few unrealistic things(spoilers)

posted 15 years ago by seroteamavi2001
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-The President would not stay around in the White House when most were dead outside.He may not be in the cold areas but woudl be underground. Him and other important people would be kept from the outside world when it got too dangerous.

-It is brought up(too late) that the Meyers scientist says the virus would not spread in the cold. Why wasn't that brought up way before? the military guy talking to him in the beginnign knew that so it wasn't just Meyers.

-How could the virus vile fall out of the exploded plane and not be burnt whatsoever?

Pretty decent movie, though. I only saw the American version. Heard there is lots more to see.

[–] SeijakuShin 15 years ago

The virus is fast spreading, by the timeit was admitted that the virus was mm88, there was very little chance that the president would be uninfected.

The same applies, the fact about cold could not be revealed due to plausible deniability, once they admit they know how the virus works they admit to knowing about it in advance.

It's amazing what comes out of a crash unharmed, i admit that it's silly that the vial has not even a scratch, but it's what they chose for the movie so be it.

[–] seroteamavi2001 14 years ago

I see what you are sayign about the first part but I would think that they woudl have taken extra precautions. This is the President after all.

[–] vure999 14 years ago

not true

the president and everyone was doomed from the start. remember, the virus attaches itself to other viruses and makes them lethal. there is no place for the president to escape.

also the virus kills in 3 days. in that time period there was no hope to move the preisdent fast enough ebcause the threat was not known sufficiently before it became fatal.

AMERICAN AND THE WORLD IS DOOMED!!

THIS IS PRECIESLY HOW SWINE FLU STARTED!!!

SWINE FLU IS A MILITARY WEAPON!!!!

[–] ozidude1968 13 years ago

How is America and the world doomed? I'm in another area of the world, I'm still alive. I just that noticed you posted that comment last year, it's 2010 now. So I ask you. How could swine flu virus be like the virus in the movie's scenario?

[–] seroteamavi2001 12 years ago

That was just a time when the world was overreacting like usual.

Again, for the Pres, he would have not been out in the open. They do not take any risks with such a person.

[–] Royalcourtier 9 years ago

The US president is not that important. Just another corrupt and self-serving politician.

There is a major problem with the movie. If the virus does not survive in the cold, how does it infect Eskimos and others living in permanently cold environments? Or are there other survivors?

[–] andybob-3 10 years ago

I really like this movie but I'll add a few more rather ridiculous things to the list:

- The automated nuclear weapons system is totally idiotic, as it waits for an enemy attack to be successful before it reacts, there's no way in hell we would rely on a computer system like that over human decision.

- They get into the weapons facility WAY too easy, there's no way they could get that far into a major defense station by just going down an elevator shaft and blowing up a few doors. No doubt something that vital to defense would be buried REALLY deep and have blast doors capable of protecting it from nearby nuclear blasts, and certainly would be able to take getting blown up by a handful of C4.

- There are several research stations scattered around on Antartica, so why didn't the US base at least evacuate some of there people and especially the women to one of them which were at a safe distance if the mission to disarm the weapons system failed?

[–] alioth4 10 years ago

- The automated nuclear weapons system is totally idiotic, as it waits for an enemy attack to be successful before it reacts, there's no way in hell we would rely on a computer system like that over human decision.

I assume this was supposed to be a backup in case, somehow, we didn't detect the incoming ICBMs (some failure in that system or whatever). If somehow, it becomes too late for command decisions from Washington because they're all blown up (or in this case, killed by a biological agent). That said, I thought it was implausible that it would be set to be triggered by seismological sensors--as rare as major earthquakes may be on the Eastern Seaboard, they could still theoretically happen, or what about an asteroid strike (which would pose enough problems for the world as it was)? Or the Yellowstone volcanic complex going off and reverberating everywhere(although that would likely be a true extinction event)? Couldn't you instead trigger it from radiological sensors just outside the theoretical blast radius (of course a nearby nuclear power plant meltdown might trigger it then--is there a large nuke plant near Washington?). Or maybe a combination of both seismological and radiological sensors.

Probably a bad idea overall though--you should just add more redundancy to your detection/warning systems, if you must. I agree it should be a human that ultimately pulls the trigger, after verifying the situation.

- They get into the weapons facility WAY too easy, there's no way they could get that far into a major defense station by just going down an elevator shaft and blowing up a few doors. No doubt something that vital to defense would be buried REALLY deep and have blast doors capable of protecting it from nearby nuclear blasts, and certainly would be able to take getting blown up by a handful of C4.

Absolutely agreed. I was surprised at just how easy it was presented to be--yet he was still too late!

- There are several research stations scattered around on Antartica, so why didn't the US base at least evacuate some of there people and especially the women to one of them which were at a safe distance if the mission to disarm the weapons system failed?

Most were pretty small--Palmer Base was probably the largest and most well-provisioned. The ship they were put on was probably capable of storing more provisions than any of those other little research outposts. They're going to be pretty cramped up regardless anyway. The ship might be more vulnerable to tsunamis caused by the impact though, compared to inland bases.

"No more half-measures."

[–] alioth4 10 years ago

The ship might be more vulnerable to tsunamis caused by the impact though, compared to inland bases.

Actually, I looked at where Palmer was on a map, and found that it was on an island off the western side of the Antarctic Peninsula (the long finger of land that extends north towards Chile). To avoid tsunamis from a nuclear detonation at Palmer, the ship would just have to sail around to the east side of the Peninsula.

"No more half-measures."

[–] znapper 7 years ago

- The automated nuclear weapons system is totally idiotic, as it waits for an enemy attack to be successful before it reacts, there's no way in hell we would rely on a computer system like that over human decision.

Deadhand existed, albeit with a little more security than a simple earthquake. Something similar existed in the US. (ECRS)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)

The Soviet system consisted of seismic, radiation and communication-sensors, so that, once activated, it would check for these things and check if command was still online, but even then, I think it needed a final, manual push to initiate an automated attack.

- They get into the weapons facility WAY too easy, there's no way they could get that far into a major defense station by just going down an elevator shaft and blowing up a few doors. No doubt something that vital to defense would be buried REALLY deep and have blast doors capable of protecting it from nearby nuclear blasts, and certainly would be able to take getting blown up by a handful of C4.

Very true

- There are several research stations scattered around on Antarctica, so why didn't the US base at least evacuate some of there people and especially the women to one of them which were at a safe distance if the mission to disarm the weapons system failed?

I thought so too, they could spread out (Antarctica is huge), or somewhere in the middle of the ocean between Antarctica and South-America, until the nuclear exchange was over, then they could assess and re-locate.

Soviet nuclear missiles didn't have superb accuracy, so nowhere is actually "safe", unless you are very far away, it's not enough being just 10 miles away

Which it seems was what they did, the women re-located to south-America, so apparently Antarctica was indeed hit, the men there said "We will take our chances" which implies that they would try to spread out, a few probably made it as well, but I suppose they would perish from cold and hunger after a while.

It seems like the submarine actually also made it to south-America, however, what happened to the crew? (only the doctor is seen, sitting with the women there).

Tsunami

A Tsunami is best avoided being on a ship in a deep-water ocean area, any Tsunami-wave will only bee a few inches big under these conditions.

[–] ZolotoyRetriever 10 years ago

Henry Silva's character, Gen. Garland, had a hair-do that was strictly not to American military standards, and looked especially ridiculous on a "five-star general" of the U.S. Army(!).

When the President (Glenn Ford's character) told Gen. Garland to "get out of my sight", I'm surprised he didn't add as an aside, "Oh, and go get a haircut while you're at it!"