Vader's Fight With Luke


Probably the best in the saga right? It incorporates the environment so well, and emphasizes everything the prequels missed: The space in between the clashes. Vader strikes, then pauses, waiting for the right moment. No fancy random twirling like in II.

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All in all, there wasn't much actual lightsaber action. It was good, but their fight in ROTJ was better.

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That's why I love it though, they're just staring each other down in that smoky room. ROTJ is more action packed, and so I see why more people prefer it.

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I agree. As far as the movies go, I've always liked TESB the best because of it's emotionally impactfull ending. The prequels, for example, are very action packed, but the stories lacked emotion. The lightsaber fights were great, but too much time was spent rehearsing those when they should've concentrated on story.

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I just watched them all again and the fight in ROTJ actually feels quite short. Plus its all in that one room, the fight in Empire still seems more epic/action packed to me since it moves around to more dangerous locations.

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I think most Star Wars fans prefer the fight in Empire. I certainly do. I think it's one of the greatest cinematic sequences of all-time. Maybe even #1.

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When I first saw the LightSabre battle in the theater, i was 7. About half way though the fight, I had this helpless feeling how Luke was totally over matched and there was no way he would defeat Vader

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That's some good film-making.

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It also had a lot of emotional weight to it.

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Thst's what made it so great!

First the excitement, then the suspense as we realize Luke is totally overmatched with just the lightsaber, then the agony as hope for Luke fades away, then the big dramatic moment!

Stellar bit of cinema, everything a climactic fight can be.

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Absolutely.

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Nope, that would be in either episode 1 with Maul taking on Qui Gon and Obi Wan or Obi Wan and Anakin in episode 3

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Lol, what a shitty opinion. You have totally lost the plot.

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No, you have. You probably hate episodes 7-9 because you hate Disney too I bet

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The Disney "sequels" are one huge plot hole.

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Personally I prefer Disney Star Wars over the prequels and OT. The Disney ones have no plot holes and they have the greatest plot twist in cinema history when its revealed that Rey is a Palpatine

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Revealing Rey as a Palpatine isn't a plot hole. It's a plot cave.

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I understand what a plot hole is. But I said Rey being a Palpatine was a plot twist. And its the greatest plot twist in movie history

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False. "Rosebud" must be the greatest.

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You think Citizen Kane is better than The Rise of Skywalker?

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Citizen Cane is ridiculously overrated, Rise isn't.

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Call me old fashioned but I enjoy these fights when they hold the lightsaber with two hands like it’s heavy.

I’m not too fond of the ballet dances of the prequels holding lightsabers like they are glow sticks

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You're old fashioned. The prequels and the Disney trilogy have the best lightsaber battles by far over the OT

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When Vader and Luke first meet Vader is only using one hand.

I think that's a great touch by the director, Vader treating Luke with little respect (at first). Later in the film Vader does use two hands to hold his lightsaber however.

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Lucas was mad at the director for that, lol

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Were you there?
name your source.

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I agree. The prequel fights were alright, and I get what Geo. Lucas' intent was, to show what Jedi at their peak were capable of. But it was too obviously ballet dancing with swords at some points. There is one scene especially, in ROTS, where Obi Wan and Anakin stand within striking distance of each other, and just pointlessly twirl their lightsabers around their own bodies for a couple of seconds. Someone played up the absurdity of it here by editing the shot so they keep it up for two minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkJ1wJ2kdpA

It took me right out of the film and ruined the suspense they were going for.

The Luke/Vader fight from TESB was better, because not only did they not add in all that pointless, showy twirling, and the combatants fight with more realistic economy of motion, but because the fight also helped tell the story. At the opening of the fight, Vader is toying with Luke, and sneakily maneuvering him into position to topple him into the carbonite chamber, which he does. He's trying to capture Luke without injuring him. But when Luke jumps clear in time, Vader has to go to plan B, and becomes more aggressive. Rather than freeze Luke, and take him alive and unwounded to the emperor, now Vader just figures to overwhelm him and beat him down first. If he has to damage Luke a little, then so be it. When Luke manages to land a strike on Vader's shoulder (from which his armor protects him), Vader gets angry and even more aggressive, and he takes off Luke's hand.

It all conveys perfectly what Vader's intent is, and how Luke, at this point, simply isn't powerful enough to go up against Vader.

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It's by far the best fight in the series. Vader is imposing and intimidating. The fight projects character development and pushes the story.

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