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the way new york should be


hard, mysterious, gorgeous.

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Agreed. Frack this Disneyfication of NYC. Long live debaucherous Big Apple so bring back the kink, the drugs, the clubs, the whores and the trannies. Gay NYers are now all married with two kids and have bank balances and 401Ks. It's like the conservative Christians won or something (except if they really won we'd all be dead).

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Actually Christians don't kill gays, but muslims do, in the mid east they hang gays...

Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours

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And stinky, dirty?

Blechhhh....

I wanted to carry Purell all over this movie and make everybody hold their hands out...

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you forgot cheap enough to live in :P

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you forgot cheap enough to live in


Yes. Fifty bucks a week got you a one room apartment in Chelsea - those were the days!

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and sweaty😜

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New York City sucks.

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Nothing "gorgeous" about this piece of crap film.

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But don't forget the out of control crime. I wasn't old enough to enjoy the "old New York," but when I was a kid my older brother took me to one of those 42nd Street theaters that was like an auditorium, and for like $6 you got to see 3 'B' movies, usually kung fu flicks or cheap action films. That night they were showing "Penitentiary 3," but halfway through the movie the lights came on and the cops ran in because someone in the balcony got stabbed. The place was full of street people and crack smoke. When we went outside some guy shared a joint with us, that happened to be laced with angel dust. It's one of my favorite memories, but it was crazy back then. Murder rates were out of control, and the cops seemed as scared as the civilians. The new Times Square makes me sick, but it's nice to be able to walk through Central Park without getting jumped. I guess it's a trade-off. At least we have movies like this and "Taxi Driver," "Fort Apache, the Bronx," "Vigilante," "Times Square" etc so we can at least have a look at how it was.

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At least we have movies like this and "Taxi Driver," "Fort Apache, the Bronx," "Vigilante," "Times Square" etc so we can at least have a look at how it was.


.....I absolutely love 70's New York films - guess they're the closest I'll ever get to a shimmering time portal I can walk through to go back to those times - for better or worse

I'd have to add....

Pelham 1-2-3
3 Days of the Condor
French Connection
The Seven Ups
Serpico
The Warriors

..also enjoy old episodes of Kojak when I can catch them...I saw this film once & there was a brief scene set in the garment district with some black guy pushing a big rail of clothes in the street & he's wearing a t-shirt with Dizzy Gillespie on it...wondering what the hell film that was ... :-/

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The film with the garment center scene might be Abel Ferrara's "Ms. 45." That movie is filmed around the Garment District, and all over New York. I can also recommend the tv movie "Children of Times Square," which is more of an 80's film, but still that gritty, dirty NYC that we love. If you really love this era as I do I suggest you visit Port Authority before they gut it and make it all new. Right now it still looks just like it did then..

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...hey - thanks for that - early 80's still works for me - ( Cruising for a start ) I was also recommeded Prince of the City ( 1981 ) dir Sidney Lumet that I must check out

re my mystery film it wasn't that one ( added to the wish list ) - as this was a Saturday evening television family viewing film slot way back when - in fact I have a feeling it might even be Pelham 123 - been a while since I watched that & overdue a repeat

the amazing thing is that the ultimate quintessential & most brilliant of all the NY thrillers French Connection ( some might argue Taxi Driver but for me that's just a little bit too dark and down in the subterranean depths that I don't want to dive into ) is that it was released all the way back in 1971 - presumably filmed around 1970 - but how amazingly modern it looks - it doesn't look at all dated even today - Friedkin did something amazing there

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Agreed on all points; "Taxi Driver" is an extremely dark film that is one of my favorites, but I don't put it on that often for that reason. It gets inside your head. Totally with you on "French Connection;" that movie is beautiful, and Friedkin captured the feel and look of NYC like no other. And although "French Connection II" was filmed in Paris, it is one of the few instances in film history where a sequel is as good as the original. Friedkin was brilliant. I will be looking out for "Prince of the City;" I hate to admit, I still haven't seen it..

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...always nice to know someone's on the same wavelength...man Taxi Driver is intense....I mean Cruising is Sesame Street compared to where Scorecese went with that one..I really can't fully appreciate what an amazing punch these films must have packed back when they came out before people were so desensitised and burned out by constant 24 hour media and internet stuff- when Hollywood was all about making big block-buster films for actual grown-ups about grown up stuff - not to entertain 14 yr old comics and wizard fans - must have been an amazing blast to watch French Connection back in '71 on a big screen...

....FC II was set in Marseille btw not Paris... :-) where the Corsican mafia used to hang out..

...and wow - checking out DVD's on Amazon there's some great quote worthy comments that are quite germane & well worth repeating here imo-


".....In my opinion "The Taking of Pelham One Two Three" is the best of the lot. It thrills like no other movie of the period, everything gels, the script, the direction the music (oh the music, hats off to David Shire for scoring the the best ever twelve tone funk score), the editing, the locale, the cast. And what a locale...this must be the best New York-based film ever; I suspect New Yorkers look at this and go..yeah that's us alright."


"...this is a tremendous 1970s crime thriller filmed in the winter in NYC long before the whole city was sanitised and made safe , it is gritty and its realistic and also based on a true story, the character of Doyle is based on a real NY police detective who makes a cameo appearance in the movie as Doyle's boss and police chief, he does a good job as a non actor. I saw this movie in the cinema on its original release and its impact on the big screen was immense..."


"....Films from the 1970s have a unique quality that will, in all likelihood, never be replicated. The French Connection certainly has the qualities that make it one of my all time favorites. Footage throughout the film of New York City are obviously authentic from run down tenement housing right down to dirty dank streets. The film stands out by simply being what it is not; antiseptic, politically correct, apologetic and pretentious...."

...and check this out this great tv slot... :-)

https://www.luerzersarchive.com/en/magazine/commercial-detail/wrangler-24159.html

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Midnight Cowboy shows NYC in it's beautiful grunge cira the "Age of Aquarius" !
Also see a George Segal / Karen Black movie called "Winning" to see MORE NYC from like 1970. Also The Out-of-Towners and Godspell !

"The ENEMY of my ENEMY is my FRIEND"

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The old NY (42nd st) was still pretty much the same into the 80's.

Hollywood Blvd in Hollywood, CA has had the same beautification/ upgrade done to it. The same with the Combat Zone in Boston ,MA which was the 42nd St-version of NYC; once all seedy porn shops/strip joints, is now a legit theater district.

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So tell me; is there any city that has kept the old flavor, or that seedy/edgy style or feel of days gone by? Or is it all just gone?





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I think what's happened is the porn shops (etc.) have been forced to move to the outer areas of these cities, which has caused protests with the residents. Hollywood still has porn shops, but it's not the same as it used to be. All of these cities seemed to lose the quaint element at the same time.

I visited NYC in the early-mid 80's, and in retrospect, probably should had moved there. I was living in Boston at the time, and to move to L.A. instead, where it was much more affordable. I live in the SanFernandoValley (the prod capital of porn) and there are porn shops scattered, but not like a 42st concentration

I don't know of other cities that kept the seedy/edgy style; Miami/ Fort Lauderdale may still have it in certain areas. Or maybe Greenwich Village, NYC

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Greenwich Village? Nope; I'm a NYC resident, and Greenwich Village, once a haven for artists, bohemians and the gay community, is now one of the most expensive areas in the city. $3,500 will barely get you a shoe box sized room in that area. The artistic/bohemian energy is completely gone, as are most of the gay establishments, save for a few bars that are considered landmarks. The West Village now consists of extremely wealthy 25-30 year old couples, and the sidewalks are overflowing with expensively dressed young wives pushing baby strollers. It's depressing. I guess it's all gone. Progress isn't always the best thing, not when something like a city's heart and soul is stripped away and made into playgrounds for the wealthy. I'm happy that there are still places in Eastern Europe that have retained their urban, edgy flavor. If I could, I would move to Prague or Budapest, or Hamburg.. and NEVER look back!






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I'm sure there must be parts of NYC that are not built up, but at the same time, safe enough. What about the far upper west side, or Bronx, etc.

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I agree 100%. That's why I have not been to NYC in years, even though I live very close.

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Detroit. It's post-apocalyptic. And not in a good way.

Let's see who takes the bait.

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That's right; i forgot about Detroit. I guess that crazy city will never change..




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Just to let you two know, Detroit has made a big comeback in recent years and it has changed in some areas. (I'm from Detroit and I've personally seen it happens over the last decade, so I should know.) Tired of people acting like the city hasn't changed since the '67 riots (depicted in this past summer's release DETROIT) especially people who have never ever been there. The downtown area is brand spanking new with new places to live, fun places to go and thing to do (the music festivals are still held downtown in Hart Plaza, and some new ones take place on the Riverfront area) there's a new light rail train called the Q-Line (which mainly serves the downtown and midtown areas) there are more buses back on the streets, it's cleaner in some areas with cleaning crews to make sure things are clean. And for the past decade, people have actually been moving from the suburbs to live in the D (go figure--for years, it was the opposite,lol.)

I won't lie, the city still has some major problems, even after having recovered from the bankrupcty which was also caused in part by the economic crash of 2008, which caused the foreclosure problem to completely devastate the city's neighborhoods. There's also been a lot of gentrification, which has pushed out a number of low income retired residents who couldn't afford the jacked-up rents caused by it. There's still crime, some messed-up neighborhoods, and other issues, but name me a city that dosen't have those same problems. There are some beautiful but expensive neighborhoods like Indian Village (on the east side) plus Virginia Park and Palmer Park (both on the west side.) There's also the city of Ferndale (just across 8 Mile, right outside the city limits) the metro area's unofficial gay capital, which just recently voted in its second openly gay mayor, and the Pridefest was moved to downtown Detroit since it was getting too big for little 'ol Ferndale I would say things are much better than they were even a decade ago. So enough of these outdated stereotypes about the city already--thank you very much.

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Is it not?

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