Fassbinder's view of women


Although I enjoyed this series, it portrays women in a terrible light. They are used as objects (especially by Reinhold) and seem to just comply with this (e.g. Cilly, Mieze) allowing themselves to be merely passed from one man to another. They don't seem to have the option of objecting to this or indeed to exercising any preference as to their boyfriends. They just do as they're told. Even Franz's landlady appears to lack any moral sense as she watches him beat his wife to death with barely any objection and then welcomes him back to her home with open arms!

It really doesn't say much for Fassbinder's view of women.

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Fassbinder is a classic misanthrope. In a weird way, his portrayal of women as wretched, decadent and pathetic is a progressive gesture. They are depicted as equal to men in their prodigious capacity for self-destruction. Honestly, are ANY characters in this film portrayed in a good light?

But anyway, Fassbinder is more attracted to female characters than men generally. Maria Braun, for example, is a powerful feminist persona even if things don't end well for her in The Marriage of Maria Braun. She's strong, resilient, determined, intelligent and ruthless--not to mention an independently successful entrepreneur. A master of the bedroom and the boardroom, she thrives in both the sexual and political realms. Definitely consider that film before you make up your mind about Fassbinder's view of women.

I'm more than a little incredulous toward the simplistic traditional feminist line of criticism which implies that unflattering portrayals of women are necessarily problematic. As if complex or ambivalent representations of female characters are ipso facto misogynistic...


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Thanks for this thoughtful reply. I agree with almost all of it actually.

I have seen Maria Braun a couple of times and agree that she is an impressive person.

Very much agree too about the traditional feminist line you mention. Indeed to portray women always as angels merely to satisfy some kind of misguided politically correct requirement would, of course, also be sexist. It's like the idea that one can never have a black character do anything bad for fear of being accused of racism.

However, my concern with Alexanderplatz is not that the women seem to behave badly, per se, but rather that they behave unbelievably. Perhaps there are people who behave like that, but I have never met any.

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I find Fassbinder's refusal to sentimentalize his characters remarkable and I'm not so sure that the behavior of the female characters is unrealistic. Actually, despite the melodramatic tempo of Berlin Alexanderplatz, I think the characterizations are honest to a brutal degree. Fassbinder's cynicism serves the material well, since it drains any hint of sentimentality from the proceedings.

You mentioned the landlady Frau Bast as lacking any moral sense. I disagree. I think her hesitation suggests a tension between her morals and her maternal love for Franz. One knows mothers of drug addicts, for example, whose enabling behavior suggests a lack of moral sense, but it is more complex than that. Sometimes it is difficult to do the right thing when loved ones are engaging in destructive behavior. It is clear that Frau Bast is a sort of surrogate mother-figure for Franz, and their dynamic shifts from warmly personal to coldly impersonal (mother-son to landlady-tenant) in a way that is likely confusing for Franz--and probably for her as well. Brigitte Mira is a great actress. During the scene where she watches Franz beating his wife to death, she appropriately registers fear, disbelief, disappointment, and moral conflict all at once. It's no wonder she is unable to decisively act at this moment... In a peculiar way, enabling Franz's weakness has indirectly implicated her in the crime she is witnessing. Franz is more than a tenant for Frau Bast. I read the scene as a willfully-oblivious mother (not a landlady) walking in on her son committing a heinous crime. She can no longer ignore the brutal nature of her progeny which, until now, unconditional love has made her overlook. It's a Freudian primal scene with the roles reversed.

Regarding Mieze, she is the sort of girl who is not too bright and affects a pliable child-like flirtatiousness to win male attention and approval. Having failed to develop a meaningful adult identity, she remains a fundamentally immature girl-woman prone to petulant and hysterical tantrums. This type of naive personality, arrested in a state perpetual childhood, is doomed to be destroyed by men. These women always seem to attract the wrong type of men--hence Reinhold's obsessive infatuation toward her. Honestly, her interactions with Franz have a perverse father-daughter dynamic. He condescends to her, she sits on his lap, not to mention her unsubtle Lolita-esque wardrobe--very strange. You could almost imagine Franz bribing her for sexual favors with sweets in the manner of a twisted pedophile. At any rate, it is clear that this is not a healthy relationship between equals. I have encountered too many young women like Mieze who project a low degree of intelligence and high degree of precocious sensuality in their interactions with men, and things usually don't end well for them. I think there is a clear moral lesson to Mieze's character arc.

Eva, on the other hand, is a mysteriously divine presence in the film. She appears in the narrative at crucial moments like a classic deus ex machina--resembling a guardian angel for Franz. Gradually, the reason for her unyielding devotion to Franz is revealed. He used to be her pimp. Of course, it's strange that this would inspire such loyalty. It suggests how difficult her previous life was that she thinks so fondly of Franz. Presumably, she was a street urchin who was "rescued" from starvation and homelessness by Franz and we can imagine that he faithfully protected her from more aggressive clients. The ethos of the movie seems to be that criminal deviance emerges from desperation. In the brutal context of post World War I Germany, it is certainly believable that a pimp could appear as a savior to a desperate woman. She seems to have transcended her circumstances and acquired a successful life for herself. No surprise, then, that she romanticizes Franz the more her material circumstances improve. If not for him, she would probably have perished in the gutter...


The best female character in the film from a moral standpoint might be Lina--Franz's first girlfriend after being released from prison. She is supportive, patient, sincere and decent. Wanting a respectable life for herself and Franz, she helps him secure an honest job selling shoelaces door-to-door. Franz, being weak-willed and governed by passion, predictably cheats on Lina while carrying out his job duties. Though he may not understand the significance his own callous behavior, it is clearly a function of his fundamental self-destructiveness. He persistently ruins any positive developments in his own life through his own weakness of character. In the end, she wearies of Franz and moves on.

I'm certainly overlooking some female characters, but it's been a very long time since I saw the film. Actually, the most memorable female archetype presented in Berlin Alexanderplatz for me is the laughing prostitute who mocks Franz's impotence early in the film. In this simple moment, it is clear that woman is the dominant sex, and men can only helplessly fumble about... She is the most powerful woman in the whole movie! With a merciless cackle, she reduces men to insignificance.


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Thanks again. This is a pretty thorough look and does go quite a long way to answering any doubts I had about the film. Your analysis of Mieze is spot on and on reflection, I can see how she allows herself to be misused so much.

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Glad you appreciated my comments

It's amazing to me how vivid my impressions of the characters are from this film considering I haven't seen it in about 3 or 4 years. That recurring scene of Frau Bast walking in on Franz killing his wife is burned into my brain. It really taps into something tragic and devastating--the feeling of disappointing your mother, I guess; of unconditional love squandered. It summarizes the way Franz consistently disappointed all the people who cared for and supported him, the way he always seemed to let down his loved ones who were rooting for him to succeed. All that pain and anguish is right there in Brigitte Mira's heartbroken face as she tries to comprehend the crime, and that this image of utter disappointment haunts Franz's life is so poignant! He so desperately resolves to redeem himself, and he fails so miserably.

That single scene is like an earthquake which reverberates throughout the film. The aftershocks animate every single frame that follows.

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