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Who invented "drunken boxing"?


Is it an existing, "real" fighting style, or is it made up just for this film (and its sequels)?
If so, is it Jackie Chan who came up with the concept of it all, the moves, stances, the nine drunken gods and all?
There are characters in fighting games (Tekken 3 and DOA, maybe more?) that use "drunken style", which might be a proof of it being an actual "real" fighting style, but on the other hand it may as well be taken as a proof of Drunken Master's (the movie's) cult status.
I mean, they do take a lot of liberties when making Kung Fu movies, pulling stunts and stuff that would never be humanly possible (or effective in combat) when attempted real life - so it's not impossible entire "styles", like drunken style, is made up... but does anyone know for sure?

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well were i come from the term drunken boxing is were u were in a club have so much to drink th@ u reckon evryone is looking @ u'r bird.throw a punch th@ sends u sprawling over a table.then get ascorted to a back room by the bouncers 2 "calm down"a little.get beaten round the head and grion with blunt instruments such as metal pipes chairs ect then get thrown down a allyway pass out in the middle of a kebab shop in a a puddle of u'r own blood wee and up chuck then go 2 anouther club and do it all agian.wow i dident know it was an offical fighting skill 4 punchy lager louts.
lucy(do u notice how a turtle only ever makes progress in life when it sticks it's neck out)

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I know someone already left a post referring you to a martial arts site, but just in case you didn't check, i'll tell you what i know. I don't quite know who invented the actual style, but there was a legend that one night there were eight gods that were partying in the water god's palace when it got attacked (I can't remember by who exactly). At this point, the eight gods were pretty well tanked, so they pretty much winged it from there.
It is a real style, usually taught as part of a wushu course, but since it requires a person to have an extremely strong and flexible body, not to mention lots of focus, it's usually one of the last (if not the last) styles that a wushu student will learn.

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You say that drunken boxing is one of the last styles taught to a wushu student. If you were going to train in kung fu everyday from a beginners level, how long would it take you on average to reach drunken boxing level, approximately?

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Ooh..... good question.... i actually asked my bio teacher (he's an eighth level black belt in tae kwon do, but he also knows some basic stuff about wushu) how long it would take to become "proficient" at wushu, and from what he said, it actually doesn't take that long to become "proficient", but, see, there really isn't a given time; one attempts to learn the style when one is ready...... but, i guess if you learn from a wushu school outside of china, i dunno, maybe 5 years (and that's a VERY conservative estimate), i mean, it's hard to say, it probably all depends on the natural physical capability of the student, because some students may be more physically adept than others. So, that'd pretty much be it (by the way, sorry i took so long to reply - i haven't really been looking at this post, he he....)

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I didn't start learning drunken style till my 5th year.

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I will begin by saying I have no real experience of wushu although I have studied other arts, but from a a theoratical standpoint the drunken boxing style would appear to be practically useless outside of a fight against a true top level opponent and even then would need a true master to exploit it effectively. Its primary purpose appears to be baiting and disrupting fighter rythym something 99% of fights at street or amateur level are not hinged upon, and there are many simpler forms of baiting and rhythym alternation that do not require you to rebuild your entire combat philosophy/stance. I would however really be interested to hear from someone in the know how useful and realistic the walnut crushing ability is (and as a side note, especially combined with hand/finger/wrist locks), it seems to be the biggest bang for buck training method to incorporate in to whatever style you follow.

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Zui Quan is a very real element to gung fu. as someone had already posted, the eight drunken immortals (gods, fairies, etc.) were real people who became gods. The origins are vague but the style was invented by monks on Wudan mountan. (Wu Tang (!) in some translations. Various different stories are told about the origins. some good pages to look at are http://drunken.eisshinryu.com/ and http://www.usadojo.com/aboutdrunkardboxing.htm It's rarely seen as a particular style of gung fu, except in some cases, just a manipulation of your own style.
As a side note, You mentioned the Tekken series of video games. If you stop to think about it, Lei Wulong's character is a mish mash of Jackie Chan characters. Jackie is most famous for his Drunken Master films, playing Wong Fei Hung (a real person, though nothing like Jackie played him), and for his Cop films. Notice that Lei is a Hong Kong cop, and he uses Hung Gar (5 animal style, which was used by the real Wong Fei Hung). Add to it the drunken style and that unmistakable nose and you'll understand what I mean.
another aside, Wong Fei Hung is probably the biggest folk hero in China. During periods in the 60s, no films were being made except films about Wong, usually starring Kwan Tak Hing in the role. (He's featured in the role in Sammo Hung's Magnificent Butcher). Jet Li played Wong in the Once Upon a Time in China series, and remember the young Child in Iron Monkey? A very young Wong Fei Hung indeed. Anyway, I'm turning an attemptedly short post into a dissertation. I guess I won't supply my foot notes and sources page after all. lol.

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For what it's worth, I read once that the style was "invented" by a Shaolin monk who showed up plastered for his morning kung fu exercises. The other monks saw him stumbling and staggering through his exercises, and realized that such unorthodox and unpredictable movements could confuse an enemy and possibly make him overconfident (if he really believed you were drunk).

Probably every bit as apocryphal as the story about eight fairies getting drunk--but it's a nice story nonetheless!

That rug really tied the room together, did it not?

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in The Matrix, if you look on the computer screen while Neo is doing the training, he learns Drunken Boxing

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It's a real style (I once saw a professional swordsman in a martial arts show do it with a sword in hand; very cool), but I recall reading somewhere that the appearance of Drunken Boxing was customized for Jackie Chan for this movie. I could be wrong, though, so please correct me if that is the case.

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It is a real form of many kung fu styles (I know it<s a part of hung gar for I study this style).

It is a very complicated and hard to use form wich require lots of balance, strong legs, and time.

Where I<m taking my class it takes 7 years to start learning drunken.

The appearance is not really customized, though it looks harder or not enough drunk in the movie. Sam seed (or so hai) performs a part of a real form when he announces he has a secret style.

And being able to use such a style i combat require LOTS of time, give another 2 years for that...and just in case any of you wondered, you cannot do this style if you are really drunk, you<ll keep falling down....or look stupid trying to mimic drunken move when you can<t even stand straight.

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