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What's Your Analysis of the Mysterious Ducky Boys Gang


While, there seems to be some confusion over the ethnic identity of the Ducky Boys Gang. I don't think there should be any doubt that the Ducky Boys Gang in the movie 'The Wanderers' are in fact of Irish descent. After all, there's a Ducky Boy wikipedia page, and a book called "Lost Boys of The Bronx - The Oral History of the Ducky Boys Gang", all stating that the gang was made up of predominately Irish gang members.

However, I think the more important question concerning the Ducky Boys, as depicted in the movie, is not so much what ethnic group the gang represents, but what the Ducky Boys gang represents in terms of Philip Kaufman's overall cinematic vision that's centered around the daily lives of urban ethnocentric tribal street gangs of NY city in the early 60's.

I think that it's important to note here, that while all the other gangs, The Wanderers, The Fordham Baldies, The Wongs and The Del Bombers, might project a hardened ethnocentric persona's. However, in the end, all the gang members that aren't Ducky Boys display very human characteristics. Usually, in the area of humor or fear, even with the Fordham Baldies who are depicted as the biggest and toughest gang members to the point of being psychotically hyper-macho at times, but they also seem to be the most racially diverse gang in the movie, and doing incredible stupid human things, like getting drunk and volunteering to serve in Vietnam.

Now, compare that general description to the Ducky Boys Gang, who seem to appear in mass out of no where just before they start beating, stabbing and killing people without ever stating a reason or a cause for their violent attacks. In fact, no Ducky Boy ever says anything at all during the entire movie. And, their sudden unexplained appearance during the football contest between the Wanderers and the Del Bombers is as mysteriously surreal, as the first appearance of the Monolith was to the chimps in Stanley Kubrick's, '2001: A Space Odyssey'.

I suggest here, that the depiction of the Ducky Boys Gang sudden appearance at the football game and elsewhere isn't merely the director temporarily departing from the films unambiguous narrative form, in order to simply show off his sophisticated visual style, and philosophically nebulous emotional story telling ability. A talent that Philip Kaufman is well known to posses.

But, instead, the director/screenwriter (Philip Kaufman) is intentionally using the very real world Irish Ducky Boys Gang as a transcendent symbol linking the long violent history between New York's ethnocentric gangs, to all the other ethnic gangs depicted in 'The Wanderers'. After all, the first official gang of New York was an Irish gang called the 'Forty Thieves' of Five Points around 1825.

Suggesting here, that while all of the immediate conflicts between The Wanderers, The Baldies, the Del Bombers and the Wongs may seem important and significant at the time to all of their gang members in the early 60's and beyond. They're all in fact, simply a more modern temporary apparition of the long history of violent urban ethnocentric tribalism that eventually forms the various ethnic gangs.

And, it's that anthropological and sociological urban history that all the Italian, Black and Chinese gang members band together to fight against on the football field, after being surprised and attacked by what seems to be, the disembodied spirits of inhuman gang members from decades past in the form of the very real Ducky Boys.

You don't have to agree with my analysis, but I would like to hear your analysis on the matter.

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I think the Ducky Boys represent the stagnation of not growing up and remaining an anti-social gang member with no sense of direction. In the end, the other gangs from The Wanderers and the Baldies to the Wongs and the Del Bombers we saw individuals finding their way into adulthood while the Ducky Boys aren't represented in any individual fashion that gives us an idea of their motivations, hopes, dreams, or fears.

In the end, the Ducky Boys are merely the dark side of misdirected youth.

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This is a great thread and I love all the analysis from everyone.

I agree with your viewpoint and I couldn't have said it better. I always saw them as anti-social gang members with no direction, young people with no guidance or morals, sociopaths who end up dead or in prison. Meanwhile, the Wanderers etc. will outgrow their gangs, have jobs and wives and kids, have a "normal" life.

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Nailed it.

Good thread.


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To me, the ducky boys were a tactile symbol of the changing times. All the other gangs were the old fashioned ethnic based gangs with similar mentalities, meaning girls, drinking, fighting, blue collar and poor, but noone really getting that messed up, basically they symbolized the rough and tumble innocence of the old ways.

whereas, ducky boys symbolized the new world, where things arent just black and white, and decisions arent good/bad. they were an indication of a different aspect of the future, like karen allen was showing the part of society heading towards the more beatnick and peace movement stuff, that ken wahls character was having a lot of difficulty understanding, so are ducky boys showing the future where people are no longer living by contemporary rules. These guys were very odd and cut throat, which is one aspect of what society has become, in comparison to the 50s mentality. an example of future, of serial killers and senseless violence and more readily apparent insanity.








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Amazing thread. My two cents is a little different: I believe that the Ducky Boys gang (especially in the climatic football field fight) is director Kaufman's visual metaphor for the Vietnam Conflict.

The Ducky Boys are depicted as alien and hostile for no other reason than they exist to destroy the guys infront of them. It should be noted that they killed Turkey when he was separated from the Baldies (IE the jungle) and it is noticable and telling that the Baldes are not present when the Ducky Boys strike because as newly minted Marines they will be facing them for real.

I mean, it is odd that the we never really see the Baldies kick-ass and it may have made more sense to have the Baldies show up at the field for a fight (revenge for Perry humilating them in the first scene).

Last, I believe that the Ducky Boys represent Nam because when they arrive, they force theWanderers and the Del Bombers to set aside their mutual distrust, and racial hatred for one another, and unite to defend and protect themselves from the Ducky Boys-- just like Viet Nam.

Someone once commented that the Nam analogy was wrong because the Wongs fought with the Wanderers and the Del Bombers and not against them. I point out that the Wongs are Chinese American and not Vietnamese.

Just a different opinion of the film that you may agree or disagre with.

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I noticed that the Ducky Boys scenes showed more than a gang, it was more like a community involved in a turf war. When Turkey goes upto the church it is full of gang members, it's like the church is run by the gang, and during the various scenes of them attacking outsiders in their territory you often see older women in the flats watching out of the windows, like spectators, people you would not normally associate with gang activity, getting at least partially involved. It is like Vietnam, where in some areas whole families were involved, living in the jungle and fighting if they had too. All seeing outsiders as enemies.

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Everyone is over analyzing the "Ducky Boys". Having grown up on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, and having been a teenager in a street gang in the late '50's and early '60's, I instantly understood what the writer was trying to show when the boys got lost in a strange neighborhood and the Duckys appeared out of nowhere. It's the weird feeling of unreality and discomfort that you feel when you're out of your element and find yourself in a potentially dangerous area, which was just about everywhere in New York City back then. You imagine that everybody is looking at you like you're an interloper and that you shouldn't be there. That feeling is particularly strong in neighborhoods where the people are of a totally different ethnic background than your own.

Then comes "the swarm". A lot of guys come out of nowhere. You're way outnumbered and you know that they want to kick your ass out of pure maliciousness. First they surround you, looking at you with smirks on their faces. Knowing that they have your ass, and they know that you know it. Sometimes you can bluff your way out, but you can usually tell if it's going to hit the fan. Like the Ducky Boys, they don't talk. They don't have to.

If you're in a strange neighborhood to begin with, you are usually with some of your own gang, so what happens next depends on how many guys are involved. It could be that it turns into a street fight. It could be that you get stomped. It could be that you somehow make your escape and run like hell. But there's always too many of them for a fair fight.

That's what Price was writing about. "The Swarm". If you lived in NYC during that era, and were a street kid yourself, eventually you would be on the wrong side of one.

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Everyone is over analyzing the "Ducky Boys".


You're probably, most likely correct sir. Thanks for your comment and insight.

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