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THE PROBLEMS WITH STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE


1. The klingons look like the gorillas from Planet of the apes. 2. The hippie Spock on Vulcan 3. The movie is VERY slow and ponderous at times. 4. The story is way too padded. 5. The characters are just muted, one dimensional versions of themselves. 6. The super computer Vger is supposed to be this all powerful, galaxy consuming machine and yet it is unable to remove a smudge of dirt to see it's own name! 7. The dialogue between Kirk and Spock at the end "Did we see the beginning of a new life form?" HUH?!!!! It looked to me like Decker had himself vaporised in some weirdo light show!

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1. The klingons look like the gorillas from Planet of the apes.


Since this basic look became the standard for the Klingons' appearance for the next thirty years of "Trek" I believe most would disagree that this is a problem. There were only minor refinements between "TMP" and "Search for Spock."

2. The hippie Spock on Vulcan 3.


Care to elaborate? Why is his unkempt appearance a problem?

3. The movie is VERY slow and ponderous at times.


The film's pace is not a new criticism. Hard to argue against it.

4. The story is way too padded.


What does this even mean? Define "padded" in the context of a "Trek" story. If anything, the story is very simple and simply presented.

5. The characters are just muted, one dimensional versions of themselves.


Which characters? All of them, just a few of them? The main characters had been apart from one another for some time and all had undergone changes. It took them a good while during the film to warm up to one another again.

6. The super computer Vger is supposed to be this all powerful, galaxy consuming machine and yet it is unable to remove a smudge of dirt to see it's own name!


This is another old criticism. Again, hard to argue against the logic that a race of living machines advanced enough to design and build the craft to carry Voyager back to Earth would probably have been a bit more thorough in their examination of the NASA craft.

7. The dialogue between Kirk and Spock at the end "Did we see the beginning of a new life form?" HUH?!!!! It looked to me like Decker had himself vaporised in some weirdo light show!


The dialogue leading up to that point between Spock and McCoy set up exactly what happened to Ilia and Decker. McCoy: "You mean this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?" When Decker completes the code sequence ordering Voyager 6 to release its compiled data, he validates his status as "the creator" and joins with Ilia to become a trans-dimensional being.

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I was about to respond to this post, but you made the same arguments I was going to. So I'll just add a hear hear!

And that klingon argument...has the OP watched any of TOS? This movie shaped what we know now Klingons to look like. Baffling point.

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I had thought of a way they could've given TMP more action -- Spock's obsession with V'Ger caused him to steal the Vulcan Shuttle, leave Vulcan, and instead of meeting up with the Enterprise, Spock heads strait for V'Ger.

The Enterprise then gets their assignment -- intercept V'Ger and find Spock at the same time, to find out what he's up to.

In this version, Kirk not only has to deal with V'Ger, but a rogue Spock as well.

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Re-scoring might also help. Try to imagine the Enterprise encountering V'Ger with a score made by Hans Zimmer.
As a small imaginary test, try to imagine his score for the docking scene in Interstellar named
No Time For Caution, but instead used for when the Enterprise enters the V'ger cloud.

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Are you kidding? Hans Zimmer...the most generic composer of all time who has turned the art of movie scoring into a repetitive joke? No thanks, I'll stick with the masterful Jerry Goldsmith.

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What a bloody great idea! What an amazing edge that would have brought!

Maybe the new Star Trek can integrate this into a future film, as there seems to be more focus on Spock and his emotional conflict.

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The unending length of the V'ger flyover/fly-through. Just. Too. Much. Time. Spent.

V'ger's guts were interesting and sometimes beautiful, but far too much time was wasted on this kind of inverse Fantastic Voyage. A relatively tiny Enterprise slowly sails through sfx...slowly...slowly...sails. The majority of the sfx tell us nothing about V'ger until Spock finally mind-melds with the Ilia-clone-drone sensor. So the lllloooonnnnggg V'ger trip only contributes to what Harlan Ellison called Star Trek: the Motionless Picture.

Otherwise, the film was, I would say, a "B-plus" effort. Not "A" because of the aforementioned length and boggy sfx...and because of its far-too derivative plot from the TV series episode.

On the plus side:

Spock nearly achieves the final state intended by the Kolinahr Discipline; finds his "God" in the simple ability to feel, and re-cements his regular relationship to the Enterprise and crew;

a slimmed-down Shatner takes his punches from the super-competent, rightfully-irked Decker, as well as justifiably-concerned friend Bones;

Ilia is beautiful both as an alien and as V'ger's incarnation/avatar and agent;

the rest of the crew finally relax into a cohesive, familiar whole in the film's final two-thirds;

cosmic significance is invoked via the Decker/Ilia/Ilia clone/V'ger merger, wherein an entirely new kind of life-form is created;

and, of course, Jerry Goldsmith's score is fairly groundbreaking.

So: not a really great - or a a really terrible - film. Rather: a watchable Star Trek episode for the cinema, which with a little tweaking, could be made a significant amount better in terms of length and pacing.

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The film is like a poor man's 2001.

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lol

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The film is like a poor man's 2001.


Yeah, right. "2001: A Space Odyssey" has very little story to hold one’s interest (although it looks good, of course, and certainly features some interesting things); whereas ST:TMP has a powerful story and the beloved Original Series characters. Plus it was the furthest thing from a "poor man's" movie as its budget was the largest for any film made within the United States up to that time.

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"Poor man's" doesn't necessarily have to mean budget, it can also refer to the quality of the intention. Besides, having a huge budget didn't result in ST:TMP being a huge hit like Star Wars.

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It made significantly more than all the other Originals Series movies (the first six) with the exception of the deserved hit, The Voyage Home.

Meanwhile Star Wars is space fantasy while Star Trek is adult space fiction; you can't compare them. There was no way a cerebral sci-fi drama with very little action like The Motion Picture was going to attract and reattract the gazillion kiddies that made Star Wars uber-successful at the box office.

The Motion Picture towers alone, utterly unique in the feature film series — a profoundly spiritual triumph.

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I admire what The Motion Picture was aiming for, though I feel the execution was somewhat uneven.

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It has the same deep, brainy vibe as the first pilot, "The Cage," and similar episodes, daring to sneer at blockbuster conventions, like goofy one-liners, wall-to-wall action and an explosion every five minutes (not that there's anything wrong with those things, lol). It transcends the plane of a mere space adventure with simple-yet-powerful scenes such as Kirk going to see Spock in Sickbay after his attempt to mind-meld with V’ger almost kills him. Spock states: “Jim… this simple emotion [grasping Kirk’s hand] is beyond V’ger’s comprehension.”

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I think that is the most charitable way to look at it. The plot is rather simple and unoriginal but that could have been ok if the film didn't feel so... slow. That's the main problem--ponderousness.
Well, there are a few design and other issues that are just maddening... Vulcan is depicted in a frankly bizarre matte shot with a titanic planet in the sky (Vulcan is a moon of a giant planet? Maybe...). The cavernous rec-room on the Enterprise is a tragically empty and sterile. In a movie that is contrasting humanity with a sterile machine intelligence it really doesn't help to make the Enterprise interiors all look so cold and... uhh--sterile.
I've always been sad that this movie missed the mark. It had so much going for it and when it was perceived as a failure (which nonetheless made a bunch of money), they changed everything and set the pattern for Star Treks to come. Even TNG was full of those silly space battles where FTL starships zip around a few hundred yards apart.

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Main problem - it was B-O-O-O-O-O-R-R-R-R-R-ING!!!

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