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Wasn't this filmed on a higher budget originally?


I believe I read that Stalker was filmed by Tarkovsky on a higher budget, but the negatives were destroyed so it had to be filmed a 2nd time.

Is this true? Any details on this? Am I just crazy?

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true. the "ruined" edition is still viewable but is tinted green. it is one minute shorter and has a different DP, (whom AT later fired) Supposedly you can get it from German ICESTORM DVD….not sure of the aspect ratio

would be great to see this restored just to see what they did with a higher budget, as by the time AT got around to the finished current film he was very low on funds

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Man, I just really wanted to see it what it originally was. This is a big loss, very interesting about the higher budget one though.

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Man, I just really wanted to see it what it originally was. This is a big loss, very interesting about the higher budget one though.


It's more of a financial loss than an artistic one, really-- from what the cast (the same actor played the stalker in both versions) remembers, the original version was a fairly conventional film/script as far as an adaptation of the novella goes... i.e. the cast knew/understood what they were doing in the original version, but was quite lost as to what they were doing in the second version (the stalker actor was quite "driven mad").

Tarkovsky was dithering on the editing/release of the original version because he was not satisfied with it (the movie was originally a "commissioned" work, hence the high budget)-- so the destruction of the original actually gave him the "opportunity" to discard any superfluous narrative framing (cos the novella still exists, for people who are more interested in the "back-story") and simply zoom in on what he wanted to say/show on the subject.

The main difference between Tarkovsky and the "Hollywood" school of film-making is that Tarkovsky considers film to be descended from paintings rather than plays-- i.e. films are suppose to work more like a walk through an art gallery/exhibition, rather than a "portable/convenient" way of showcasing stories/drama: so you should be encouraged to think about various things/themes in the process, and not expect closure to a narrative/character arc.

There is a Russian DVD release packed with interviews/features where you can glean all of the above-- saw it years (decade?) ago, so I can't remember what brand or year it was... and of course, I apologise in advance if I get any of above wrong.

But in short, the second/released version was the one with the more ORIGINAL, Tarkovsky vision.


BTW, you still get to see some of that high budget/production quality in the second version-- e.g. they bought a tank, drove it into a wasteland in the middle of nowhere, grew miles of flowers all around it, and waited for the right SEASON of the year to film it.

It's the same kind of 1970's high budget/production quality that the likes of Stanley Kubrick insisted on when filming The Shining (1980)-- by drowning the outdoor locations in TONS and TONS of salt to simulate snow... and the results were such that it never crossed my mind that the final product (with its particular tones, sharpness, etc.) would be really difficult to achieve when filming in actual snow/winter/locations.

The post 1980's generation of movie goers tend not to realize that computer visual effects first arose as a CHEAP alternative to practical effects, which were very expensive to get right-- but that was when movies were shot using film stock and you can't easily "fix things in post-production".

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Glad I didn't just make this up. I'm so amazed about this whole story, hopefully I can find the interviews you speak of. Thanks for all of the info!

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I'm watching the Rusico (Russian Cinema Council) DVD and that has the interviews. The Rusico web site has two DVD sets for Stalker.

http://www.ruscico.com/catalog/cataloguedvd/catalogue_194.html
http://www.ruscico.com/catalog/cataloguedvd/catalogue_2414.html

The descriptions are identical and the first one (catalog 194) includes the special features. I don't see the Rusico DVD on Amazon.


There's also a set made by Kino Lorber. http://www.kinolorber.com/video.php?id=831 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000I8OOG0/) which looks like a similar. The Kino version does not offer as many languages for the sub-titles. I don't know if the extras are identical.

The Rusico DVDs seem to be dark and I can't make out details at times. I don't know if that's an issue with the print or if that's how the movie was designed.

edit: A comment on another forum thread mentions that the Kino version was "low-value" and so I'd look for the Rusico version. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079944/board/nest/242133634 It would be great if Criterion did a release.

I listened to all of the interviews and none of them mention that any footage from the first year of shooting was saved. Here's a summary of the extra material videos.

Cameraman Alexander Knyazhinsky (5:44 interview). Per what he says it sounds like the dog just showed up. It only understood commands in Estonian and always obeyed its owner on where to sit, lie, etc. regardless of the circumstances. At the time of the interview there were only seven survivors from the group that made the film. Alexander died June 14, 1996.

Production designer *beep* Safiullin (14:22 interview). Talks about the loss of the first year of work due to the film developer issue and the effect on Tarkovsky.

Composer Eduard Artemyev (21:07 interview). This interview is hidden in the biographies section. Tarkovsky felt that music was only needed if he was unable to accomplish an affect via cinematography. He had developed an interest in Zen Buddhism at the time of the filming of "Stalker" and so asked that western religious music be played using Eastern instruments but done in a way so that westerners would not recognize it. He selected music was from Azerbaijan and composed themes that were similar to mugams.

There's also "Memory" (5:44 video) shot in 1997. Most of it is scenes from "Stalker" with occasional snippets of a very run down building that was identified as being Tarkovsky's house during his childhood and adolescence.

"The Steamroller and Violin" (4:45 video) is something Tarkovsky made while still in school.

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the "ruined" edition is still viewable but is tinted green. it is one minute shorter and has a different DP, (whom AT later fired) Supposedly you can get it from German ICESTORM DVD….not sure of the aspect ratio


Really? I thought it was lost. I mean, when I read that the lab f-ed up the negatives, I believed that the lab reaaaally f-ed up the negatives.

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