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Someone help me understand...


I must admit that in terms of what I look for in films are more on the visceral side, but when viewing films like this I try my best. I am a patient person, I actually quite enjoy the long shots that follow the characters, and I had paid full attention to the film start to finish. To be candid, I have never seen a film quite as bizarre as this. Somehow I cannot connect the dots between things. For example, in the sequence right after the meat grinder scene, where they appear to be in a room on sand, Writer wonders off alone, and is yelled at by the stalker. He throws the nut, the nut falling is in slow motion, what is the significance of that? Birds (pigeons or doves I cannot tell) flies in the room, most peculiar one is the first bird flies in but literally disappears mid-air, there was a cut, the second bird flew into the shot. Is that just some editing that we weren't supposed to see, or is there something else there? And most odd of all, the film's ending, the daughter had only been briefly brought up before, but now she seems to be moving things with her mind. I am absolutely bewildered, I also take into account that some films don't have concrete meanings, and might even encourage personal interpretations, but I just can't conjure up any explanation that would make sense for me, the ending especially.

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I have only watched the movie once and was somewhat struggling with keeping in synch with subtitles and the audio since I'm not at all into russian.

The scenes you are asking about; Firstly I'm not certain if he throws the nut to activate the phenomena to protect the Writer or kill the Writer in order to save themselves (him and the Professor). Think about what happent to that other Stalker they kept talking about; having sacrificed his brother to the phenomena for money.

When it comes to the animals in the Zone I have no idea. I first interpreted the dog as one of the aliens having created the Zone. Mainly because of the Stalkers rant after they first slept. And this dog keeps coming back.. But it doesn't really make much sense for one of the aliens to follow the Stalker out of the Zone. So I am not sure.

When it comes to the child having special powers I can only imagine they come from the same thing as her handicap. Re-listen/read the ending monologue of the mother.

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(Spoilers fro those who haven't seen it yet)

Firstly, a less literal approach to this film is generally a good advice. Much of its magic comes from us wondering, not from understanding everything in its entirety.

Secondly, I don't remember if the nuts' significance was explained thoroughly in the film itself or my knowledge stems from reading the Strugatsky book (or any of those books I read about Stalker...): Throwing the nuts (or the stone before the meat grinder, for that matter) is like holding a stick out of your hiding place in a trench to see if this attracts fire. It's a test for traps, especially (this is from the book) for one that works through extreme gravity. Whatever steps into its field is being smashed to the ground. So, Stalker really just tries to save Writer from possible dangers. He may send one of the guests to go first so as not to fall victim to the Zone, but he is not someone who knowingly gets rid of someone he is supposed to protect.
The doves/pigeons (I think pigeons) are just another (beautiful) example for the Zone's way of being irratic and wondrous. One bird passes, the other before it just vanishes. This was intentional, not an editing glitch.

The ending: this has been subject of debates before, so don't despair. There's no definitive answer here. To some, and I think I remember Tarkovsky himself seeing it thus, the fact that Monkey (Stalker's daughter) possesses telekinetic powers is a way of hinting that hope is not lost. She may not be able to walk, and generally the society around the Zone is pretty much hopeless and dire, but there's magic and beauty and strength and wonders still.

The dog, I think, is not one of the "aliens." That would be another example of taking things too literal. Tarkovsky has made sure that almost nothing in the film was sci-fi-ish. Having aliens wandering around as dogs would contradict this. I think it's literally just a dog. Like the stalker and his guests were able to walk into the Zone and out again, the dog lived as a wild animal within the Zone and decided to follow Stalker home. It doesn't mean the world, but I like it because it adds warmth ... and something more to wonder about ;)

Hope this helped a bit.

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The meaning of the telekinetic powers I agree too 100%. Unless she was absolute evil which I believe just as much! ;)

The dog however.. Just an ordinary dog surviving the Zone for so long? Ok - granted the traps might only be activated by humans but still.. Dogs are stupid but maybe that's the point - in real life a dog would not survive alone but in the Zone he did. Maybe he sacrificed some of his puppets to make a wish and leave the Zone? Evil dog..

And, was I the only one to interpret the Stalkers rant about "himself" while the prof and writer where supposedly asleep and they where visited by the dog?

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Maybe Stalker's rant about himself attracted the trait in the dog to console and be loyal to humans. Will watch it again on sunday, if I remember to pay attention to this specific question, i'll do it.

But generally, the alien dog option is pretty much ruled out for me. The basical idea for the Zone, in Roadside Picnic by the Strugatskys, was precisely the opposite of another alien-visit-earth story: instead of coming here to do anything with us/ against us/ to us, they just had a "roadside picnic" (or any other mundane or elaborate activity) here which quite simply escapes our knowledge and understanding - and then just left, leaving a bunch of strange objects and forces which have no real agenda or task set by the aliens.

Stalker's continuing rants about the Zone which "directs" its forces against intruders, thus, is just folk lore. It's a strange place within another strange place during strange times. This attracts myths as much as invites us to philosophise.

The only way I could see the dog as not "just a dog" would be that he was somehow influenced by the physics of the Zone etc. and thus now acts differently. But I can't see why one would need to construct any artificiality about it. It didn't do anything once outside the Zone and with Stalker's family. It keeps Monkey company and is subject to pretty typical arguments between husband and wife - as would any other dog, probably :D

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Also, I wrote some kind of a small essay/review on Stalker. If you're interested, it touches on a few interesting things in the film:

http://timespentwatching.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/andrei-tarkovskiys-stalker-1979/

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"Dogs are stupid".

Dogs are not stupid, stupid.


"Maybe he sacrificed some of his puppets (?) to make a wish and leave the Zone? Evil dog..."

Wtf.........?




"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Thank you, it definitely did help me understand the film. I get what you're saying with the less literal approach to watching film, I guess I'll just have to get used to it. I did understand that not everything should be taken literally, but I couldn't understand no matter how hard I tried. A second watching should help.

Lucy: "I didn't tell a soul, and they all promised to keep it a secret."

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OK. I have very little comprehension of what I just saw either, so you are very much not alone on this one.

This is what I took from the film, and it is most definitely a film and not a movie - a movie is something by which you can actually eat popcorn to while being assaulted with some form of coherent storyline.

I felt as though:

1. This is in my opinion an allegory for life, religion and God. A bit too much? Let me explain. We had the Stalker - a believer. A man with complete faith in all that he does without any attempt at personal gain. The Professor - The symbol of science and the need for explanation of all things. The Writer - The symbol of Art. The intrinsic voice within us all that asks the questions to the big things in life.

2. Russian Literature and its corresponding historical influence. Russian literature has a habit of doing this. The Cherry Orchard, for example, was a tale of Old Russia meeting New Russia and the inability to let go of the old regimes and traditions. Stalker, for me, had a very similar theme. The shift from B&W to colour and back again. A very apparent fear of a new world and everything that comes from the shift to the present.

3. The bomb - and more specifically the dismantling of the bomb. Perhaps a symbolic gesture of Russia's disarming of itself during the Cold War. We are left with three hopeless wrecks, none any better off than they were before, and one new hope - a child with terrifying kinetic powers - again another symbol of fear of the future and what this may hold for its present denizens.

There are hundreds of themes and no small amount of symbolism throughout the film, the crown of thorns, the large black dog, the child without working legs, the huge industrial landscape, the militarisation, the water, the dust. I cannot begin to try to explain them all, nor can I hope to understand them either, but I do think that any amount of reference can be taken from every individual scene, and it does very much stick in your mind for quite some time.

The only thing I don't understand - and maybe this is just me - but where does everyone get the alien notion from? Just because the poster looks a bit otherworldly doesn't have to mean it was little green men, does it?

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I liked your #1, not sure about #2, and don't agree with #3 because the book and the film happened before the end of the cold war.

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It was a while since I watched it but it has stuck with me..

I'm bewildered but I think that it's intentional - different phenomenons and desperation of trying to make sense of it all.. one scene that sticks out in my mind is when Stalker is lying on the ground, just connected to the reality of things not caught in navigating the confusing mind**** landscape.. almost seems like a sanctuary, but the environment is hostile, wet and cold - he can't rest in it.

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I think the film is about mind and body, or consciousness and matter, and the failure of the mind to adequately improve the material existence.
Both Writer and Scientist are men who try to seize the world with their mind, whereas Stalker is a figure straight from the pages of Kierkegaard who represents the third stage on the path of life, ie faith. Writer being seen with a pretty woman in the beginning can represent the first stage of the aesthetics, and scientist the man devoted to the laws of nature and mind, ie the moralist, for whom the absurd liberty represented by faith is a danger so threatening that he's ready to destroy it completely with a nuke !

The throwing of the bolt/nut is, IMO, from Nietzsche who said that the geniuses are born in each generation to throw a stone a bit further, so that mankind can move to this new spot. Then another genius is born and throws the stone further etc.

The mutant daughter, in this respect, is a successful result of Stalker's faith: she can move matter with her mind, at the cost of her own body that is crippled and, like Alexander's miracle in Offret/Sacrifice, hers too is hidden to the world and must be preserved in silence.

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about ending
i can tell you that belief was thing that made glasses be moved by the girl. he believed in this thing fully one hundred percent. if you believe in something that way, you will make it happen for sure.

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Yes, I think the concept of faith resonated throughout the whole film. The Stalker was the will, the drive, the Zone the way, and in the end the Scientist and the Philosopher failed a simple task to go inside the room and make a wish, because they realized that their deepest wishes might turn out to be as egocentric as of the stalker who hanged himself after, they simply lost faith in their good nature.

p.s. I've read the book, and the end part was very ambiguous.

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I think the dog is the true reward of the believer.

He was the only one who didn't have anything to ask in the Chamber, so the xhamber rewarded him with a true friend.

The other are rewarded by an accute knowledge of their own insignificance.

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About the ending,

Have you considered that the glasses are not moved by the girl but by the approaching train?

It seems to me that the director left the door open to a full realistic interpretation of the film.

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The glass begins to move before we can hear the train approaching. Monkey moved the glass at the end of the film.


Fine, fine, I'll leave! But first I'm going to bother these peanuts! Hmm? Yes? Hmm? HMM?

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Instead of wondering what the birds could mean or the dog, I think people should focus on the things they understood.
The whole movie long 3 guys are talking and thinking about philosophical topics. But they dont understand that there is no answer to everything. Like in understanding the movie. More understanding will lead to more questions.
Imagine yourself in the room. What would come of it? Would your dead wife come back? Would you be rich? Would you become a god? What god? Only a god which has powers you can think of in your limited mind.
And not only you. What would happen if all those inner secrets of all humans would become true if everyone would go to the room?
If your inner secret would come true wouldnt that be like heaven? If so, wouldnt you not be considered dead? Maybe the room just kills you if you are wishing for selfish things.
I think the stalker went into the room. And because of him his daughter cant walk. So what he wished for is probably for her to be kind of independent. That she can reach for things wihout having someone to help her all the time. Remember how he looks at her in the beginning? Thats just natural because he knows they cant be around her forever. Thats why she can now move things. But one glass fell which is an indicator that she can also use this power for evil. Not evil but "accidents" will happen. But in this scene there is played in distortion "freude schöner Götterfunken". So can we assume that she can also use it to unite all humans and become brothers?
Either way, it doesnt matter what you wish for or how you want to change the world. Even if you have no selfish wishes or inner secrets and are totally selfless you can create bad. And isnt your perception of the world not like the Zone? Dangerous? Unpredictable? Moving long enough in it and you realize patterns? Behaviours? It changes constantly and almost unrecognizable slow. Shouldnt every human walk in it with the most care so it wont destroy you? It changes you and you change it. You have to look not just watch to see those changes. So is this movie. You can just watch it with all your attention but if you are not open for some of those questions this movie will always be like some kind Kubricks 2001 but not in space and with the bizarreness of a Lynchmovie.
This movie is more meta than anything I have seen before and probably ever will.

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Instead of wondering what the birds could mean or the dog, I think people should focus on the things they understood.
The whole movie long 3 guys are talking and thinking about philosophical topics. But they dont understand that there is no answer to everything. Like in understanding the movie. More understanding will lead to more questions.
Imagine yourself in the room. What would come of it? Would your dead wife come back? Would you be rich? Would you become a god? What god? Only a god which has powers you can think of in your limited mind.
And not only you. What would happen if all those inner secrets of all humans would become true if everyone would go to the room?
If your inner secret would come true wouldnt that be like heaven? If so, wouldnt you not be considered dead? Maybe the room just kills you if you are wishing for selfish things.
I think the stalker went into the room. And because of him his daughter cant walk. So what he wished for is probably for her to be kind of independent. That she can reach for things wihout having someone to help her all the time. Remember how he looks at her in the beginning? Thats just natural because he knows they cant be around her forever. Thats why she can now move things. But one glass fell which is an indicator that she can also use this power for evil. Not evil but "accidents" will happen. But in this scene there is played in distortion "freude schöner Götterfunken". So can we assume that she can also use it to unite all humans and become brothers?
Either way, it doesnt matter what you wish for or how you want to change the world. Even if you have no selfish wishes or inner secrets and are totally selfless you can create bad. And isnt your perception of the world not like the Zone? Dangerous? Unpredictable? Moving long enough in it and you realize patterns? Behaviours? It changes constantly and almost unrecognizable slow. Shouldnt every human walk in it with the most care so it wont destroy you? It changes you and you change it. You have to look not just watch to see those changes. So is this movie. You can just watch it with all your attention but if you are not open for some of those questions this movie will always be like some kind Kubricks 2001 but not in space and with the bizarreness of a Lynchmovie.
This movie is more meta than anything I have seen before and probably ever will.

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Brilliant post nanton. It reminds me of a line by Rainer Maria Rilke, which is the questions are important, not the answers. Ask the right questions and the answers take care of themselves.

I understood that three men make a forbidden journey to the Zone, which can represent many things but there are nods along the way to it being a religious symbol. Initially two of the men follow Stalker and bicker between themselves, seemingly on opposite sides in the debate about humanity and its essence. in conclusion they reject Stalker. They are afraid and have murderous/destructive intents. They cannot face having their innermost desire revealed. They do not know themselves. They are inauthentic. They decry and would like to destroy Hope. Stalker leaves with a black dog, a symbol of depression. He is terribly tired. His wife balances love with sorrow and his daughter has psychic powers. Their life is not easy but it feels real.

Ever tried, ever failed?
No matter.
Try again, fail again.
Fail better.

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