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Favorite Vampire Flicks in General


Okay, okay; I know that for many of you, it will be this one. And as many of you have figured out, I like it as well.

And while many vampire movies are pretty good, the one that stands out, head and shoulders above the rest, is the 1977 BBC Masterpiece Theater episode called Count Dracula. The acting was absolutely superb, the atmosphere was delightfully creepy and the script stayed remarkably true to the Bram Stoker book with very few departures. As an aside, I might add that the actresses who played Mina and Lucy (Judi Bowker and Susan Penhaligon respectively) not only did a great job, but were both stunningly beautiful ladies.

I would rate the other various Dracula films that I have actually seen as good to poor depending on various factors such as the atmosphere, sets, the cast and of course the scripts.

Nosferatu (1922): Overall, I give this classic silent film fairly high marks as the atmosphere and sets are good. Where I would not be so generous is with the script. It strayed too far from the source novel, which, as we all know was Dracula.

Dracula (1931): Atmosphere, acting and sets are good, but like Nosferatu, the script strayed too far from the Stoker story. In spite of this, my rating is good.

Count Dracula (1977): Excellent, as described above.

Dracula (1979): This is the one with Frank Langella as the Count. Acting, atmosphere and cast were excellent, but the main negative was that the script was not all faithful to the book. Overall, my rating for this film is poor, primarily due to what I see as the totally unnecessary changes in the story.

'Salem's Lot (1979): Overall, I rate this one highly. The atmosphere, and the acting were superb, the sets were good. The main problem, for me at least, was the script: it deviated too much from the novel. Be that as it may, I still liked this one, and it remains one of my favorite vampire films.

Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992): This Francis Ford Coppola film was spectacular in some ways and truly dismal in others. Atmosphere and sets on this film were magnificent, and the acting for the most part was good as well. The major downfall for me was the script. If it had only been a few deviations from the novel, it might not have been so bad, but Coppola managed to change the entire theme from a battle between good and evil to a sappy love story that is not even hinted at in the book. Still, my overall rating is fair.

'Salem's Lot (2004): All right, I'm putting my flame suit on.  This one was one that I have mixed feelings about. Some things, I liked about it and others, I did not care for. Compared to the 1979 effort, it was closer to the book; not much, mind you but a little bit. I liked Andre Braugher's portrayal of Matt Burke, even though I don't think it was necessary to change his sexual orientation. I thought the 1979 film did a much better job of presenting Mike's encounter with him, and like one other frequent poster here, I thought that the scene where Donald Sutherland stuck his tongue out was 'cringeworthy'. Where I'd give this film higher marks than the Hooper film, is the script. Acting and atmosphere were both good, and I thought that Rob Lowe did as good a job as did David Soul, as Ben, and Samantha Mathis was a slightly better Susan than Bonnie Bedelia. On the other hand, while I think that Donald Sutherland is a great actor, so was James Mason, and I thought that Mason's portrayal of Straker was better than that of Sutherland.

I think that the Dr. James Cody in the 2004 movie was truer to the novel than the Dr. Norton character of Ed Flanders, but I also thought that Flanders was one of the highlights of the Hooper film. Perhaps I might note here that another 'cringeworthy' scene in the 2004 re-make, was when Dr. Cody was in the car with Bonnie, and he was recalling a past memory with her. I will note with gratitude that the Hooper film has no such gawd-awful scenes.

Both Salem's Lot adaptations have their good points and both have their flaws as well. And while many, if not most of you won't agree with me here, I still give a slight edge to the 2004 mini-series over the Hooper film, primarily because of its' greater fidelity to the novel.

So, my choice of the best vampire film is the 1977 BBC Count Dracula. It is much better than any other I have seen.

Responses?

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I'm the "cringeworthy" one, btw. No 1958 Christopher Lee Dracula on the list?

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I'm the "cringeworthy" one, btw. No 1958 Christopher Lee Dracula on the list?
Correct.

I never saw any of the Hammer films. It is rare for me to comment on films I haven't seen.

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No vampire list should be complete w/o "Horror of Dracula" with Sir Christopher Lee. It is simply fantastic and if the OP hasn't seen it I wonder why? Any vampire/Dracula fan has to see and own it!

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I actually never saw the whole film either.

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No vampire list should be complete w/o "Horror of Dracula" with Sir Christopher Lee. It is simply fantastic and if the OP hasn't seen it I wonder why? Any vampire/Dracula fan has to see and own it!
I have a serious hearing impairment and if I can't confirm that the DVD has English or English SDH subtitles, there is really no point in my getting it.

FWIW, I have an appointment in Enid later on this month with an audiologist to be fitted for a hearing aid, so hopefully the lack of subtitles will be rendered partially moot.

And I was not offended by the question, so please have no concern in that regard.

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I'd have to check my DVD but I'm quite sure it has subtitles.

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I'd have to check my DVD but I'm quite sure it has subtitles.
If you wouldn't mind, please do. And thank you.

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No love for Fright Night? Just kidding,lol.

The only thing I will give credit to the 2004 version is that it was closer to the book than the 1979 version. That, for me, doesn't make it better though, just more accurate.

Imagine that the book never existed and you watched both versions, as movies don't always follow a book. Which do you think you would like better? Reggie Nalder's Barlow scared the crap out of me, but Rutger Hauer's didn't do a thing for me in spite of him being more like the book's Barlow.

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The original Fright Night(1985)was pretty good though, especially Evil Ed as a vampire. FWIW, Fright Night, Buffy(ugh), and Lost Boys were influenced by...guess what???

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Before Salem's Lot scared me I was pretty freaked out by Blacula William Marshall played a good vampire any of you folks see it ?

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Trivia: our own Weasel Philips was in Blacula.

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I saw that on imdb but I don't recall seeing him
I'll have to give it a watch

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There's a great slo-mo scene when a lady vampire is chasing him...creepy.

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The scene in Blacula when the woman ran at full speed(in slow motion)freaked me out.

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Top 5:

1. Dracula (1992) - Definitely the best movie I have ever seen.
2. Horror of Dracula (1958)
3. Vampires (1998)
4. Dracula: Prince of Darkness (1966)
5. Blade (1998)

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Blade, seriously?

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Blade, seriously?

Yes. Blade is a great movie, and Blade 2 is good too.

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I'd say Blade 2 was better than the first one - but you'll have a hard time convincing the snobs that it's even worth their time before they instinctively turn their noses up at the very thought of a modern-day action vampire flick...

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Modern day vampire flick usually translates to changing some of the very things that made us fall in love with vampires in the first place. Some of us don't like cute little sparkles.

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I love the classics too, I'm just saying - and you're proving my point, there's a degree of snobbery and ignorance - the fact that you mention 'sparkles' in reference to Blade further proves this. Get over yourself.

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That wasn't meant for Blade, that was meant for Twilight. You know, the king of modern vampire movies.

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Nobody mentioned Twilight - and not all modern vampire movies should be judged by that flailing piece of guana...

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No, but Twilight is the most successful modern vampire movie though isn't it? Sure, the others are not as bad, but they still lack the fright feature which is what the genre is mainly built from. How about Underworld? Do I have your permission to use that as an example? It's creative, but it still removes a central theme of vampirism which is the cross being their weakness and several other changes. Also, everyone in it is either a vampire or a lycan so regular humans are almost non-existent, so who are the victims that we can relate to?

It's not about someone needing to get over themselves, it's about when you change something from it's foundation of what made it what it is you will inevitably sacrifice quality which is why the older versions are more popular. Except Twilight of course.

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Underworld was brutal, as were the werewolves.

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Hey, that's Lycan to you buddy!lol.

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That's all very good, my point was about the amount of snobbery coming from apparently older, possibly educated gents who (certainly on this board) feel the need to question anyone who doesn't fit into their clique whilst circle-jerking each other.

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I can understand that, but the snobbery can both ways though. Words like "ancient " and "bigot " gets thrown around the other way.
You didn't do that, I'm just saying in general on here.

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Oh, and I just noticed some more words on here that as you say "circle jerked?": utterly pathetic, questioning education level, and childish, I believe. Funny, I don't recall any words or name-calling used to describe you bluesrun and if I'm not mistaken, name-calling is usually an activity conducted by children.

I'm not trying to start in on you again, let's just agree that we have different tastes in modern "horror" movies.

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Exactly!! Some people have different tastes in horror movies - this is my point - someone mentioned Blade as one of their favorites and you responded with "Blade, really?"

Why not?

The 'circle-jerk' comment was not a personal attack, more reference to the clique-ness... maybe I wasn't clear on that one...

Like I said, I love the classics - I grew up on Hammer films, but there's nothing wrong in a good genre vampire flick...

As long as it's not Twilight, right?

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Fair enough.

And yes, as long as it's not Twilight😊

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Yes. Blade is a great movie, and Blade 2 is good too.
Interesting. Until I checked a moment ago, I wasn't aware that Blade was a vampire flick.

Needless to say, I haven't seen it.

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Yep, 1 and 2 were pretty decent vampire/action film if that's your bag, I'd put them up there alongside From Dusk 'Til Dawn...

Blade Trinity was gash though.

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Martial arts vampires...ugh.

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Be careful, bluesrun will get you!

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Like I said... although I'm doubting the 'educated' part now. You really can't see the playground mentality you're displaying can you?

I really hope you don't act this childish in the real world - utterly pathetic.

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I thought your #1 was too bloated and full of itself, although it was still good.

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Just curious, but has anyone else here seen the 1977 BBC effort with Louis Jourdan?

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Yes, I own it on DVD. It is a marvelous film. Very spooky and close to the novel. Definitely belongs on any vampire fan's list. BTW, it's on You Tube.

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Has anyone else noticed the names of the posters have all been changed to the same thing on the first page of this thread? It's almost as if IMDb has been hacked or something.

ETA Now they're back to the original names. What's going on here?

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Interesting, I missed that.

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Near Dark (1987?) is probably my favorite vampire film. It was one the first vampire films I had seen (along with The Lost Boys) where the vampire threat was inherently American. Its a personal struggle along with being a societal one. There is no evil master from a foreign lannd. The vampires choose to give into their inhumanity. They wern't suave like the traditional dracular nor did they appear monsterous. They were vagrants. Degenerates. Vampires of American culture.

Another vampire film I really love is Let the Right One In (2009) and its American remake, Let Me In (2010). Really interesting take on our perception of the vampire/evil and how it influences society.

Also, I love Salem's Lot (1979) of course.

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A lot of those would be on my list too, but fidelity to the novel isn't that big a factor for me. I mean I've read and enjoyed Dracula and 'Salem's Lot but it seems to me that what really matters is how good the movie is on its own terms. Say you have two movies based on the same book: One is really well made in every way, but it only has a loose relationship with the original story. The other sticks really close to the book, but it's lacking in terms of writing, acting, directing, etc. Which is preferable?

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You just totally illustrated why this version is better than the 2004 version.

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Salem's Lot (1979)
Count Yorga, Vampire
Yorga Returns
Fright Night (1985)
Fright Night pt. II (1988)
Vamp
Dracula 2000
Martin
Bordello of Blood
From Dusk Till Dawn (the movie, not the awful t.v. series)
From Dusk Till Dawn 2: Texas Blood Money
Vampires
Vampires Los Muertos
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the movie, not the awful t.v. series)
The Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires
The Satanic Rites of Dracula
Dracula a.d. '72
Blade
The Last Man on Earth
Lifeforce
The Monster Squad
The Night Stalker
The Night Flier

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Surely this isn't a ranking because no rational human being would rank Fright Night II that high. Good list though.

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The original 'Fright Night' is very high up there for me on any list of favorite vampire films. It's set in modern times(Well at least in THAT particular modern time) while still retaining most of the Gothic traditions and lore of classic film vampires. So it's really a perfect combo of a vampire film in that regard.

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Ironically enough three of my very favorite vampire flicks were released in exactly the same year, that being 1979.

The first will come as no surprise as it is the very obvious choice for this board.

However, altogether, they are:

1. Salem's Lot (Dir Tobe Hooper, Reggie Nalder et al.)
2. Dracula (Dir John Badham, Frank Langella et al.)
3. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht (Dir Werner Herzog, Klaus Kinski et al.)

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Ironically enough three of my very favorite vampire flicks were released in exactly the same year, that being 1979.

The first will come as no surprise as it is the very obvious choice for this board.

However, altogether, they are:

1. Salem's Lot (Dir Tobe Hooper, Reggie Nalder et al.)
2. Dracula (Dir John Badham, Frank Langella et al.)
3. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht (Dir Werner Herzog, Klaus Kinski et al.)
Just curious: have you seen the 1977 BBC effort with Louis Jourdan as the Count?

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Hi Gary,

Yo raised a good point on the thread her... in fact you raised a VERY good point, and I want to see if I can explain that remark:

I was only a little kid when the version was out, and I have very vague memories of watching it: the scene that comes to mind in Louis Jourdan passing his hand in front of the mirror (with a very obvious blue-screen effect!) and casting no reflection.

He obviously wouldn't have been much of a vampire if his hand showed in the mirror.

However I wanted to say a genuine thanks for bringing it up on the thread here, because I went on Youtube to watch the beginning of the movie, and then proceeded to go out and get my own copy.

It is (very clearly) a BBC production from 1977, both the production design and the (so-so) effects bear those facts out.

However, even with that in mind, it is still a fantastically good production and well, well worth a watch. I have to say I still like it a lot - I think I might be re-iterating a point you already made here - The 1977 production shows a high amount of fidelity to the original source material (the novel by Bram Stoker) which quite simply is not present in numerous other productions.

That means it gets a high recommendation from me, and also thanks for mentioning it and getting me to go back and watch the thing.

All of the above is perfectly accurate - And yet there are other productions of Dracula, which are the complete antithesis of what I have just said.

My mind goes (naturally enough) to the 1992 Francis Ford Copolla production of Dracula - with Gary Oldman et al.

The production design is excellent and the acting (with the exception of K. Reeves) is fine as well, but - and I am cutting a long story short here - The entire production wanders off into a rather silly (not to mention sappy) love story, which simply had no place at all in the original novel.

Enough said.

Hat's off, and Kudos to Gary, for pointing me in the right direction on the 1977 production, anybody reading this would also be advised to give the 1977 version a look.

The 1992 effort... well that's different story (both figuratively and literally speaking!)

To each their own.

Cheers.

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Thank you. I appreciate the very kind words. I am fortunate enough to have gotten the DVD when it first came out, and I videotaped it when I was living in Seattle around 1980. The PBS station in Seattle made it a tradition to broadcast it on Hallowe'en and that was all I could watch for about 25 years. Finally the Beeb released it on American format DVD and I wasted no time in getting my copy.

Now, it is extremely hard to get over here.

And while the acting in Coppola's BSD was, as you said very good, and the sets were spectacular, the weak point, like you (and I) pointed out is the script. Not only the plot was altered, but the whole theme was changed from an epic battle between good and evil (the English vs. the Count) to that of like you said, a sappy love story between Mina and the Count that was not even hinted at in the book.

Still, BSD was a good film and in spite of the totally unnecessary changes, is one that I'd enjoy watching from time-to-time. However, due to my progressive hearing impairment, that will have to wait until I have CC capability once more.

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My favorite vampire films are:

-Salem's Lot (1979)
-House of Dark Shadows
-Dark Shadows (2012), a guilty pleasure of mine. Though House of Dark Shadows and the original TV series are better.
-Dracula (1931)
-the entire Hammer Dracula series (with the possible exception of Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires)
-Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter
-Count Yorga, Vampire
-Blacula
-Nosferatu (1922)
-Vampyres
-The Vampire Lovers

Though I see new ones all the time so the list may change. More may be added as time goes on.

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Has anyone else seen the Night of the Vampires? This was a a 1964 film originally in German, but dubbed in English. Wasn't bad.

I have it on DVD as The Cave of the Living Dead.

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Hi All,

Long have I meant to sit down and write an extended piece on this topic, so here goes:

Ironically enough three of my very favourite vampire flicks were released in the same year, that being 1979.

I am going to have a discussion on them in the order that I saw them:

Dracula (Dir John Badham, Frank Langella et al.)

This is the first Dracula film that I remember seeing, and it remains somewhat true to the original novel, yet there is a romance element to the story which was not present in the Bram Stoker text.

Having said that, the production design is fantastic and it contains some genuinely memorable visuals, which were terrifying enough to my young brain to cause me a sleepless night after viewing it for the first time.

Chief among the terrifying moments (in my humble opinion) were:

Jan Francis as Mina Van Helsing wandering around the mines underneath the graveyeard in her filthy burial robes, comes across her father (Abraham Van Helsing) She has been transformed from a lovely young woman to a totally repugnant form in her white pancake make-up and red-glowing eyes, at 56.27 she makes the plea:

‘Papa, come with me, come with me.’ As she is baring her fangs and reaching out for her father. That’s enough to scare any little kid!

What is ironic is that Jan Francis was best known for playing the part of ‘Penny’ in the BBC Sitcom (in the UK) ‘Just Good Friends’ two more eclectic roles I cannot imagine.

At 1.20.35 when Dracula (Langella) comes across Renfield (Tony Haygarth) Renfield - who has adopted a really disgusting diet of cockroaches – begs for his life. Dracula purrs to him ‘Renfield you disappoint me so.’ And proceeds to twist Renfield’s head 180 degrees the wrong way, as a speedy punishment for him. Renfield drops to the ground and blood spills from his dead mouth… yuck.

Dracula disappears as mist below the door and proceeds to kidnap his latest damsel (seduced and not in distress – Kate Neligan.)

For a kid those are memorable scenes and the stuff of a sleepless night.


Salem’s Lot (Dir Tobe Hooper, Reggie Nalder et al.)

OK, this movie almost doesn't bear discussion because many of us on the board here have passed so very many comments over such a long space of time. However, I will go ahead now.

I am sure that I did not see Salem’s Lot on it’s first run in the UK, simply because my older brother had already seen it the year previously and had told me (briefly) about some of the scenes involved.

That suggests to me that it must have been on it’s second (or possibly third run) by the time I saw it as a kid. Broadcast over two separate nights, it was instrumental in giving me nightmares over not one but several nights!

You must understand that it now has a special place in my heart…

OK, first off Ralphie Glick and his vampiric visits via windows. The little bugger managed to look horrifying and didn't utter a word as he floated around and made his attacks (for me he was scarier than his older brother Danny who DID talk)

Any scenes featuring the graveyard did have an impact on me, and I think I need to explain why:

I originally come from a small town, and it just so happens that there is a graveyard about a mile away from where I grew up. OK, so no big deal I hear you say… I'll be honest, it was for me!

In my kid’s (nightmare riddled) brain, I was able to take facts of what had happened in the fictional town of Salem’s Lot, and transpose them to my (very real) home-town, simply because there was a graveyard nearby, which (at the time) was very effective in transforming something that was simply nightmare inducing, into something like mild psychosis!

I’m enjoying a good laugh as I am writing this, but it’s like I said before the film of Salem’s Lot has a special place in my heart!

Other scenes that were noteworthy: During daylight hours both Eva and Nolly complain of dream filled-nights when (obviously vampirised) friends have come to see them. That stuck in my brain as well.

A very obvious one – I know this is a favourite of other posters on the board here – is the Jail cell scene where Barlow makes a first (terrifying) appearance.

All of the scenes in the Marsten house stuck in my mind (including the staking of Barlow) because they put me on the horns of a dilemma: What I mean is that I wanted to see the good guys vanquish the VERY bad guys, but because I liked the characters (Ben Mears, Mark Petrie) I was also tempted to tell them to simply run from the town so they could escape with their lives intact.

The broken bottle of holy water, exploding into blue smoke as a sign that evil was nearby stuck with me, and I gave a sigh of relief when Barlow was eventually destroyed, but not before a lot of tension of having the assorted vampires in the root cellar crawl their way towards Mark…

And then of course Susan turned up at the end, just for one final shock…

Great stuff indeed.


Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht (Dir Werner Herzog, Klaus Kinski et al.)

I saw this movie later on and while I can’t say that I found it as scary or terrifying as the others I have mentioned, I have to say it has stuck in my mind as being a compelling beautiful, and haunting piece of movie-making.

At the time of it’s making, it was filmed twice (in the native German language with English subtitles) as ‘Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht’ and also with English dubbing as ‘Nosferatu: the Vampyre’ I only speak English and have never spoken German, however I prefer the original German version with the English subtitles as it seems to be slightly more true to form and better paced in the original dialect.

Around the one hour mark in the movie Nosferatu travels from Varna to Wismar, and there are shots of the boat travelling across the water and into the port, which are accompanied by choral music which I have to say are absolutely hypnotic and have remained with me for a very long time.

Later in the movie rats carrying the plague overrun Varna. There is the absolutely compelling image of people, dressed in all their finery, sitting down to eat sumptuous food at a banquet table. Lucy approaches them and they invite her to join them.

At 1.32.58 in the film they say ‘We have all contracted the plague. Let’s enjoy whatever time we have to live.’

Moments later they fade away to be replaced by rats who overrun the banqueting table. Like I say that’s compelling stuff, and reminds the viewer of just how transitory life can be. The scene is both melancholy and memorable in the extreme.

It was only when I saw the film years later that I realised that Lucy (played by Isabelle Adjani) had distracted Nosferatu from the day-beak – She was successful in destroying the vampire, but she had made the ultimate sacrifice by paying with her own life.

Did I say the movie was compellingly beautiful? Actually that goes for the actress Isabelle Adjani as well, she is extremely lovely in the role of Lucy here.


Honourable mention section:

Honourable mention has to go to two different movies here.

Count Dracula (1977 – Dir Philip Saville, Louis Jourdan et al.)

This particular production has already been mentioned on the thread here, and I don’t really remember it from its release as I was only a little kid at the time. However I saw it at the end of last year (2015) and have to say I think it is excellent for the amount of fidelity that it shows for the source material (i.e. The novel Dracula by Bram Stoker.)

And also -

Off Topic:

The Omen (1976 – Dir Richard Donner, Gregory Peck et al.)

OK, lets be clear here: the 1976 movie ‘The Omen’ is NOT a vampire flick, so it should not be rightfully discussed here, it’s about the birth of the Antichrist. Which still DOES NOT make it a vampire movie.

It is getting a honourable mention here because it contains the most terrifying line of dialogue in a movie EVER.

The actor Patrick Troughton was well known in the UK for his portrayal of the character of ‘Dr. Who’ from the BBC. However, he makes an appearance in ‘The Omen’ as the character of the damned – as in destined for hell - priest ‘Father Brennan.’

At 41 minutes into the movie he has a discussion with the American Ambassador Robert Thorn (played by Gregory Peck.) who says to him: ‘I never want to see you again.’

Troughton at 41.43 in the movie uttered the most chilling line (in my opinion) in movie history: ‘You’ll see me in Hell, Mr. Thorn, there we will share out our sentence.’

If ever there was a single line in a film designed to inspire nightmares in a little kid and rob me of sleep it that one. ‘The Omen’ is not my favourite movie, but I love that scene to this day.

Well done, to the production crews all around, on all of the above mentioned moments. Those are some of my favourite movies now.

Please feel free to post with any thoughts.

Cheers for now.

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Regarding Langella's Dracula...he should've had fangs, but he didn't. I can't take that film seriously b/c of that omission. Salem's Lot will always be sentimental for me probably because of timing. I was a young Catholic boy back in 1979 when I saw it during the 1st showing, and I wasn't expecting dead vampire kids, and Barlow simply crushing the cross was too much to accept. Most friends, girlfriends, and family have heard me mention this film all the time. It never leaves me. Funny thing is I caught the trailer on CBS by accident back in '79, as my dad was changing channels on that fateful Saturday night, and we were both excited about that trailer. Good times!

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