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HUGE logical problem in the movie


At least in my opinion, this movie suffers from a huge logical failing: the whole point or pivotal point of what is happening is that life is soon going to end. At least that's how everybody except maybe Essex, see it. But the questions is why?

Food shortage? This is the kicker: noone is seen eating, but noone is starving, either. Everybody looks well-fed, and some look even fat. What from? What is everyone eating? Some people are old - they grew to be old, so they had a continuous supply of something nutritious. What is it? Inquisitive minds would like to know! Don't tell me that it's tangential to the movie, because a movie about extinction and the availability of food are strongly connected.

For example: there are no seals. As those animals survive in cold temperatures, one can easily imagine that they are one of the last staples for survival. If not even seals exist, it's reasonable to assume that not much else, in terms of food, is there. So what the heck are people eating?

In any case, it is apparent that there's a steady and abundant supply of food, so that's not the issue. There's plenty of electrical energy, so that's not a problem either. What the people in the movie have not, apparently, mastered, is sealing of their homes. The yhave windows and doors (and massive ones, at that), and they could keep warm if they only sealed these rooms, but for whatever reason they choose to live in ice-cold compartments. I have a hard time in believing in such collective idiocy.

You know, there are communities that live in cold climates. They are not particularly worried about death, nor do they play "quintet". Just what was the reasoning of the authors of this script? Suspend disbelief to the max?

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Such reasonable observations invite the suggestion that Altman, who's clearly no fool (nor, evidently, especially interested in making a 'conventional' Sci-Fi flick), has created a kind of dreamscape, à la 3 Women (1977), with the kind of contradictory logic that might entail. The (rather unnecessary) technique of blurring the edges of the screen image are even reminiscent of dream sequences in countless films.

The lion and the calf shall lie down together, but the calf won't get much sleep.

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First, right in the beginning, when Essex and his girl are entering the city, they go through something that looks like a market (Essex has to grab Vivia a couple of times because she keeps getting distracted by the various merchandise). Well, some of the stuff sold / bought looked like fish.

But the problem is not the lack of food, indeed that doesn't play much of a role; instead, there is a sense of hopelessness that has engulfed the human community, out of several reasons perhaps, one of which was definitely the ice age & scarcity of food. Thing is that the very instinct of survival seems to have vanished, which is why people need to play with death in order to regain the meaning of life, or some part of it. The populace is growing old, there are no more kids, a general sense of carelessness has invaded the community, which is why Quintet became the only thing that mattered. Which is why those people are so stupefied when they see Essex' wife pregnancy. Which is why Deuca doesn't believe that Ambrosia slept with Essex / Redstone.

So there may have been enough food, but it didn't matter anymore. I don't know precisely where the sense of doom came from (maybe because the people knew that it was cold, and was only going to get colder, until all life would cease, so fighting for life would only bring a short delay of the unavoidable? maybe because of the isolation? maybe simply because the human race got tired of itself?), but it is all over the place, controlling everyone's actions. By rendering them not idiotic, just extremely disinterested.
So no, I don't think that a major suspension of disbelief is required.

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It is mentioned that the city was once home to 5 million people , so presumably there was a large supply of canned and frozen food on hand. Also , early in the film we see an outdoor market where several large fish are hanging , being cleaned and prepared for sale or trade.

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this is an old thread, but it sounds like 'the road' is right up the o.p.'s
alley. it takes that post-post-apocalyptic scenario to its logical conclusion, where the ONLY food left is either cached, or 'on the hoof', so to speak.

but really, the o.p. does rather miss the point. in no way are we really encouraged to see this as a light-of-day projection, but rather as a hazy 'might-be', in the manner of zardoz, which had far more explicit fantasy elements, but was similar in an examination of an exhausted, insular culture
at the point were atrophy verges into destruction.

just a note of speculation, which is somewhat related to the question: given the present population of the earth, if climate change were to be abrupt, it doesnt take a lot of imagination to project that food supplies become very problematic very quickly, compounded with with the wars, etc., which would ensue upon the slightest dislocation amongst peoples/cultures long accustomed to material comforts. it would/will get ugly in a heartbeat.

constitutions will be re-written. the u.s. hasn't been tested in this way since its very beginnings.

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Thing is that the very instinct of survival seems to have vanished, which is why people need to play with death in order to regain the meaning of life, or some part of it.
It is basically death by ennui and the game of quintet is an attempt to stave of the dullness of existence. It's not a particularly unique idea in the cannon of post-apocalyptic science-fiction.

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They eat Soylent Green! ;-)

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Two things have happened that you are missing.

1) This was mentioned before, but humanity has entered into a stage of depression and people as a whole have lost the collective will to live.

2) Because of the eco-disaster that has plunged the world into an ice age, the population density of the human race has probably fallen too far to maintain itself. In other words, enough people have died that birth mortality factors that substantial populations like ours can ignore are now a significant factor. In short, more people are dying than are being born.

Think about it; how often do you hear about a couple having trouble conceiving a child? In a city like the size of New York and all of its boroughs, there is a population in the millions, so it is not a major factor. Now look at it in a city the size of Mineral Point, WI (just an example) with a population of 2538. Pre-natal and post natal mortality suddenly turns into a major factor.

I could go into more of the science of populations, but hopefully you get my point.

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I just watched this snooze-fest on Netflix, to go back to the OP why did they not eat the dogs?
Also why were all the dog Rottweilers? Go figure.

Dave

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Yeah, and also, why are ALL the rottweiler's tails docked? Honestly, these are some specious arguments you people come up with for an Altman surrealist sci-fi film. I can understand why you wouldn't get into this movie for a variety of reasons, but these are not good reasons to hate the film. Your mind was easily wandering throughout, that's fine. Just don't place the blame on "huge plot holes" that really are not huge plot holes when it comes down to it. Again, as I stated before...this is an Altman surrealist sci-fi film.

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because you watched only a small part of the city, of the environment, of the life of people trapped in those cold cities.
is not a film where all is explained, is not the intention of the director, is not necessary.

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