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were they adlibbing the play at the very end


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at the end when it was maurice and myrtle doing the play, were they adlibbing the play or was that in the script? the audience seemed to like it but the director, writer and producer didnt, so i figure they were adlibbing, but im still not sure.

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Myrtle starts to change her lines during the performance and to adlib the text. Obviously she tries to find a way to go beyond what she thinks is shallow and depressing in the text. To change it into something not only more interesting and positive, but also into something she can relate to at all. During the rehearsals she feels like in a cage, so she has the need to adapt the play and the text to her personal problems as an actress. Otherwise she couldn't play it at all. She obviously can only play a part with her complete personality - or she can't play at all.
She's not a stupid method-mistaking actress with an inflated Ego out of control, but on the contrary a very professional actress, so she has to get drunk like hell, to cross this border, to have the courage to leave the road and to grasp the role with full personal risk. So she starts improvising to make ANYTHING out of it she can live with as an actress.
Maurice reluctantly goes along with her, but at last he's courageous enough to do it.

So writer and director (of course) are nearly dying. The audience, not knowing the written play, is just watching something very fresh, intense, funny, serious, surprising in any moment.... and many of them seem to like it.

Well, you could say more (and more complex things) about it, but that's about the way I see it.

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I was confused about that too because of the very last scene with the champagne. Everybody seemed pleased there.



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They were adlibbing. There's the scene with Maurice and Myrtle in the hallway of Maurice's apartment just before the opening and Maurice tells Myrtle he know that she wants him to make a jackass out of himself up there on the stage. That he won't do it but then he does do it and it's proof to Mytrtle that he still loves her.

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Not only were the characters adlibbing....the actors themselves were adlibbing, in front of a live audience of over 1000 people.

The only scripted bits were the director, writer and producer, who as you say, didn't like it.

But the joke was on them, because in the end, the audience loved it.


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I'm not sure if that's true or not. From what I've read all the Cassavetes films were tightly scripted. I believe that applies to the supposed ad libbing that the characters were doing at the end of the play.

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I have to say this isn't one of my favourite Cassavetes films but it's well worth sticking with it for this scene - it's absolutely wonderful. I assumed they were mostly improvising as some of the lines seemed totally out of the blue, and at points it looks like they are trying really hard not to crack up. (On the back of the DVD I have it says that they were real audiences, but I'm not sure about the play). What amazing energy and chemistry they had between them. It must have really been something special to have been in the audience.

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I think the entire f#cking movie was ad-libbed. That's what made it so real and amazing.



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if only what they were ad-libbing was humorous or interesting as the actors themselves thought it was. And why would the audience like it so much? It was sitcom-level banter, and totally different to the rest of the play we had seen.

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'sitcom level banter' That's what I thought it was. Thanks for your reply.
I liked but didn't adore the film, just because of these last scenes.

(just my opinion, don't crucify me for this)

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I was a bit thrown off by that too at first. Also I couldn't really tell if the producers etc were pissed, in fact at first I thought it was just the writer who was annoyed and the others were just watching in fear that Myrtle might break down. After the film finished however I realised that they must've been improvising that scene, which would explain why its so out of tone with the rest of the scenes we saw (which frankly came across as a bit cliched, but I guess that was the point). Also unless I'm mistaken it's Ben Gazarra's wife who hugs Myrtle at the end, not anyone else. This is presumably because she had silently been in support of Myrtle throughout the film and perhaps could see that Myrtle was finally herself again.

One of the things I liked about the movie the most was how Myrtle's unpredictability made it hard to tell when and at what points she was messing up her performance. Sometimes she pulls it back like a pro, other times she just messes it up. The tension of whether she'll lose it carries the film in my mind.

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The (rambling) Cassavetes audio interview on the Criterion edition says that the stage adlibbing was written. That is, it was scripted in the movie, but written to show the actors in the play within the movie adlibbing.

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Yes, I found that interview highly enlightening.

He related that they played it three different times, with essentially the same words (although in some cases some lines were "repeated"). And yet the net effect (the "style") of the three takes were completely different.

So it depends on your definition of "ad-libbing". If you mean working without a script or entirely faking the dialog on the fly, then no they weren't. But if you mean creating and projecting a particular persona on the fly or working without additional non-take rehearsals, then yes they were.

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That same interview sheds a lot of light on the construction of the play.

Apparently combining all the pieces that existed at various points, much more of the play than what we see was written out.

On the other hand, a "complete" play never existed. The writing was always of just the parts needed for the film (at that time).

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