Gary Oldman vs Klaus Kinski


Gary Oldman (Bram Stoker's Dracula) and Klaus Kinski (Nosferatu: The Vampyre) are without any glimmer of doubt in my mind the best actors to have ever taken the mantle of playing Dracula. But who do you think gave a superior performance?

Kinski portrayed Dracula as I think an ordinary person would act if he was given the curse of vampirism. He is very conscious of the fact that he is loathed and abhorred and knows that he is condemned to put up with it for eternity. He is shown as being a brooding, bitter creature who has completely lost hope in redemption.

Oldman on the other hand portrayed a Dracula who revelled in his powers, who unlike Kinski HAD a purpose in life which he passionately pursued (his love), slaughtering anyone who got in the way.

I think Kinskis performance was more realistic, whereas Oldmans was more spectacular.


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I agree! Seconded by Max Schreck, Willem Dafoe, and Dark Shadow's Johnathan frid.

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I'm a big Oldman fan, but I have to go with Kinski on this one. He is not only more naturalistic, but I also believe he is the one that is more spectacular.
I would characterize Oldman's performance only as extremely over the top.
And Kinski's character definately had a purpose in life. His purpose was to cause death, mayhem, and madness. And he was after the girl as well.
Plus it didn't hurt that Kinski really didn't need too much makeup to look like the origional Nosferatu anyway.

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I've just seen Phantom der Nacht (German version) and Kinski's performance really was phenomenal.

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I wouldn't compare the two, except to say that klaus is more comical in some ways because his own way in which he is odd. I think the best dracs ever are shreck, lugosi, kinski, and oldman. Defoe i'll say sure. christopher lee, eh, nostalgic films, but with his films it's like, ok we get the picture. he'll probably kick my ass for saying that.

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Chris is fun for short bursts of Hammer, but as for an actual character, his Dracula was a little shallow (he himself said the portrayal of Drac had deteriorated by the last few Hammers he did).

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what do you mean by Hammers?

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Hammer Horror films.

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If you read Stoker's original novel Dracula comes across as a very versatile character. He's sad and poetic, he's mysterious and dangerous, he's wise and nostalgic, and he's mad, grotesque and threatening. No actor who has ever portrayed the character has pulled off all of these qualities, and that is what makes the character so alluring. If I had to make comparisons, I would have to base them on the above characteristics and conclude that each actor plays one of these particulars, but none of them play all of them.

Shrek: Max Shrek played the grotesque and threatening side of the character to a "T". I once heard a film historian explain that Shrek's character was more of a rat than a man, and therefore Dracula comes off as more a pleague-carrying monster than an inhumanly tortured soul.

Lugosi: Quite possibly the most famous vampire, and certainly the most immitated, Lugosi played up the mysterious and dangerous quality of the character. Ofcourse, the Spanish version of Dracula (filmed simultaneously with the Lugosi version and using the same sets) is considered the more superior version in acting and cinemetography, but Lugosi's Dracula is enchanting in its silent stare and its dark demeanor.

Carradine: John Carradine's Dracula is often overlooked in the comparisons of the character, but it is interesting to note that Francis Ford Coppola's first encounter with the vampire was this actor's portrayal. Carradine's rendition brings out more of the sad and poetic quality of the character than previous actors have. In "House of Frankenstein," he acknowledges that he is a tortured soul commanded by the powers of light and darkness. He knows that he is superior to any creature on Earth, but is powerless to the power of the sun. This rendition actually reminds me of the character of Louis in "Interview with the Vampire."

Lee: Unfortunately for Christopher Lee, the Hammer films weren't interested in portraying any other side of Dracula than the grotesque monster. Lee has the physical stamina for the character, and his portrayal in "Count Dracula" gives him the added bonus of playing the role in the one film closest to the novel. However, other than these qualities, not much character comes out of his portrayal other than to make Dracula out to be a being so supernatural as to almost be a god.

Kinsky: Kinsky did a fabulous job of playing homage to Max Shreck's original grotesqueness, and he was even able to play a little of the sad, lonely, tortured soul as well. However, I do not see much more than a fabulously well done piece of visual stimulation in this character portrayal, and cannot therefore give him much credit for originality.

Langella: Frank Langella once said in an interview that, when offered the role of the vampire for the 1979 John Badham version, he wanted to do something with the role that would set it apart from the monstrous character of the Hammer films or the dark man in a tuxedo with a hungarian accent. Thus, Langella's Dracula is probably the most human rendition of the character ever to come out of the glory of cinema history. Langella played Dracula as a character more human than monster, but one who has traversed the sands of time alone. Thus, with lines such as "Listen, the children of the night, what SAD music they make," Langella takes up where Carradine left off in playing the sad and poetic side of the character. However, with his snarls and growls, Langella's character can become grotesque and threatening too. And, when he sits down to dinner with Lucy and speaks to her in fluent and flowing Romanian, he brings out the wise and nostalgic character a little more than the former actors have. This, and the fact that not once in the whole film will you see Langella with fangs, sets this film apart.

Oldman: finally, we come to it, the most recent portrayal of the character in any resemblance to Stoker's novel (those Dracula 2000 films were awful in my opinion). Oldman's character certainly brings out the grotesque monster, with full rubber bat suit and furry wolf costume, and the sad and poetic character as well, with lines like "Do you believe in destiny?" and "I have crossed oceans of time to find you," but none-the-less the character is portrayed hopelessly overdone. Oldman seemed to be paying homage to all the former actors combined, but in the process no originality is brought to the role, and the character seems only to become a walking contradiction.


THUS, after ALL OF THAT, I guess if I were forced to pick an absolute favorite Count Dracula, it would be Frank Langella's.

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"If you read Stoker's original novel Dracula comes across as a very versatile character. He's sad and poetic, he's mysterious and dangerous, he's wise and nostalgic, and he's mad, grotesque and threatening."

And yet, Bram Stoker's Dracula doesn't really have a purpose.


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Oh racist schmacist ... William Marshall was a handsome, charismatic Blacula, but it is ludicrous to compare his performance with Kinski's or Langella's, theirs are serious readings of the role, whereas Blacula was always intended as a joke which self-satirized the blacksploitation genre....and who are the "all" you were referring to? ... you were replying to one original poster. There are much more important issues of racial discrimination to devote your energies too than a silly little piece of seventies camp.

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I sort of doubt it ..have you seen some of the absurd nitpicking on the subject of race on these posts? ...black kids go without decent educations and health care while some of these dudes niggle and worry about the lack of black actors in the latest Jane Austen adaptation ... these guys need to get their asses out of their couches in front of the tv and get political if they want to do something about race discrimination.

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If you are referring to the absence of William Marshall as Blacula, then I agree. But if you include him, you also must include Leslie Neilsen and George Hamilton, whose spoofs were genius, if not altogether silly. Still, I enjoy a good spoof, and loved William Marshall. His was a semi-sexy, verry scary if you were high watching it, and cannot be dismissed.

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You're an idiot.

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My favorite was Louis Jourdan's 1977's---done for Brit TV.

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That BBC version was the one that had me constantly wearing a cross for months after watching it back in my middle school days!

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A dubious thread. Whether or not Kinski and Oldman are the best actors ever to play Dracula, their performances are not necessarily the best.

Oldman is basically playing a Harlequin romance hero who happens to be vampire. He really belongs on an episode of Jerry Springer ("Vampires - and the Women Who Love Them").

Kinski gets at the tragic side of the monster - the immortal lonliness. A good performance, but he's not playing the character from the book.

I'd take Lugosi, Langella, and Lee over either of them, and never look back.

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I agree the O.P. is a loaded question as you need to buy into the idea that Kinski and Oldman are in fact the best depictions of the character.
I would say Kinski is certainly up there but Oldman?!
His version of Dracula is in my opinion among the WORST.
Terrible film and hamm and cheese acting all the way!
I would say Louis Jordan gave one of the best performances in a 1978 BBC version much closer to the book than any other filmed version.

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I also think Louis Jourdan is one of the best Draculas, (and a very under-rated actor). His natural refinement often made his acting under-appreciated in wonderful performances in "Letter To An Unknown Woman" and "Gigi".

Another very good Dracula was Jack Palance, in an excellent made-for-TV version, (1973) ... I don't know if it's still available. He played a non-romantic, all-evil, bad-tempered Dracula, quite close to the character in Stoker's nook.

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I'm glad someone mentioned Palance as Dracula. i didn't really care for that film, but i did really enjoy Jack Palance's performace as Dracula. Palance, Lugosi, and Kinski are my three favs, in no particular order. I still need to see the Louis Jourdan version.

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I saw part of the Louis Jourdan version; his portrayal was rather in line with the novel from what I saw, minus the limitations of the production (no backwards-aging, for one).

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Louis Jourdan was my all-time favorite. Subtle, suave & with zero western clothing.

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Klaus Kinski no question. No other Dracula-based film has ever given me actual vivid nightmares the way Herzog's Nosferatu did. Every scene Klaus is in where you can see his hands moving is like standing witness to some sort of deadly ballet. His quiet, lonely performance was absolutely superb.

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Well the "Dracula" film sucked. The only good thing in it, was Monica Bellucci. Mostly because she was naked.

Gary Oldman was also good, but not great. And I saw that garbage, before I saw "Nosferatu." Which is definitly the masterpiece.

Klau Kinski is one of the greatest actors that has ever lived. It scared the sh!t out of me in this film. And added so much layers to Count Dracula. I really felt sorry for the guy.

Did Gary Oldman do that to me?? Hell no. "Dracula" is basically a comedy. And Francis Ford Coppola hasn't made anything great since "The Outsiders."

<<<<I think Kinskis performance was more realistic, whereas Oldmans was more spectacular>>>>

But there was nothing spectacular about Gary Oldmans performance.


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Well the "Dracula" film sucked. The only good thing in it, was Monica Bellucci. Mostly because she was naked.

So basicly you're telling us all how you're a Sexually Perverted Troll then.
Gary Oldman was also good, but not great. And I saw that garbage, before I saw "Nosferatu." Which is definitly the masterpiece.

No Oldman played a DIFFERENT KIND of Dracula. Get it right or get off the board.


And Francis Ford Coppola hasn't made anything great since "The Outsiders."


so you're trying telling me all these movies aren't "Great" because you know what they all came out after "The Outsiders"

The Godfather part III
Mary Shelly's Frankenstein
The Odyssey (the TV movie from 1997)
Sleepy Hollow (from 1999

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(This is all opinion based)


1) Coppola didn't necessarily MAKE Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, Sleepy Hollow, or The Odyssey he just produced them. Besides I wouldn't call Mary Shelley's Frankenstein or Sleepy Hollow "great" movies. More like average movies. I thought Frankenstein stayed more true to the theme than Coppola's Dracula did, and Sleepy Hollow had some nice atmosphere, but neither are films I'd highly recommend. Those films are more like "let's play this because we don't have anything else to put in right now" kind of movies.

2) Naked or not Belluci WAS one of the better actors in that movie and she's MEANT to be seen as an alluring yet deadly vampire and she was far more convincing in her bit role than Hopkins, Reeves, Ryder, Grant, Elwes, or Campbell were in theirs. I could actually take her and the other Brides more seriously.

3) It's fine if Gary Oldman, James V. Hart, and Coppola wanted to make a different movie, but in that case there's no need to title it "Bram Stoker's Dracula" when it fails to deliver on the proper theme. Almost every other adaptation whether it's accurate or not, whether it portray Dracula with sympathy or not, maintains a constant theme. The problem with the Coppola movie is that one moment it's a decent horror flick, the next it's a pretty poor love story. When you watch versions like the Dan Curtis version or this which made him pitiful, you still see that Dracula was a villain who would happily kill or transform a person. Gary Oldman is good (even when he was drunk on set he kept his talent in check), but the character is only "Dracula" half the time after the first 45 minutes or so. It's pretty pathetic seeing Dracula crying purple tears. I understand what they were going for, but if it weren't for him, Tom Waits, and the effects/costumes, the film would be quite forgettable.

4) It's that other persons opinion and their inclined to it. If they prefer Nosferatu (like me) that's fine. I've seen dozens of movies about the character and I consider Coppola's a mixed bag. It's got some good things about it, but it's only about half as good as it could have been. The work put in is admirable and it is in my collection of Dracula films, but there's just far better ones in my opinoin that entertained me more. If this person feels like that or if you feel like you do that's fine.

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Kinski ... the best Dracula in the best Dracula film
Langella ... a very good high-romantic reading of the role
Oldman ... a good Dracula in a film overwrought with effects, sex and some poor performances ... Hopkin's over-done Van Helsing and Keanu Reeve's extremely wooden Harker.

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Sorry but Gary Oldman is no match for Klaus Kinski. Willem Dafoe would be a better match.
And of course, Nobody can match Max Schreck's Nosferatu.

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I think Frank Langella deserves some serious props for his version of the character on stage and screen. He was the most charismatic Dracula imo, he had the presence and focus that made me really believe that he had supernatural powers of seduction...

Gerard Butler was not bad in the role, but Dracula 2000 gave him pretty much no chance to show any range. They had a really interesting mythology in that film though: the idea that Dracula was actually a creation of Judas's betrayal...

And I would really love to see Johnny Depp take on this role, I think he was born for it. Jon Rhys Meyers or James Purefoy would probably be frickin fabulous also



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Yeah, Frank Langella was the best Dracula in my opinion. I liked Kinski, but he was so small it was hard to find him threatening.

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