Raped?
Does anyone else think Katerina was raped? It seemed like she was more drunk than he was and when he put her on a bed, turning the light off, she was saying no don't.
shareNo, I did not think that she was raped. I haven't watched the movie in a while, but I don't recall the "No, don't" making her sound frightened or like she actually did not want to do anything with him. Maybe her emotions were manipulated by the charismatic sleazy man, but I don't think it was rape.
shareI definitely think she was raped. She had been drinking, and she said no, the "no" makes it pretty simple. She could have been more forceful, yes, but it doesn't matter. She said "no" several times and repeatedly turned the lights back on, but he refused to listen. I think this is the kind of situation that wouldn't have been defined as rape back in the 1950s, but today definitely is. Watching it actually made me angry, especially because people will claim that that isn't rape, but she was taken advantage of and then thrown away. He took advantage of her tipsiness and quiet demeanor.
sharenobody force her to had sex, it was a mutual desire.
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Every girl says this. Especially when it's her first sex.
shareThis is an ignorant assumption. I don't think this was her first sex. She was a factory worker and a university student, age 20.
Rape is
1) A lack of consent from both people. She kept saying no when he put himself on top of her and turned off the light. She could not have left the situation when there was a much heavier man lying on top of her when she was drunk.
2) If the woman is intoxicated and the man is not.
Many rape victims
1) Don't realize they've been raped at first
2) Feel shame or guilt after they realize it
3) Deny that the consent was not mutual
4) Feel angry with the perpetrator
The character experienced 1, 2, 3 and 4. Maybe she wasn't raped in the way most movies portray rape (as violent) but she still had sex forced on her.
Too many people are obviously too young here, and don't understand that the world is changing rapidly. Also, they seem not to understand the differences between distant cultures. USSR in 1950's wasn't USA or UK or Netherlands in 2010's.
Russians were and still are among the most religious nations in the world. Even decades of communist atheist propaganda couldn't really change it. Also, we must remember that Katya (as the most of other movie characters as well) wasn't born in Moscow, she comes from county where this conservatism is even more emphasized. So, in the years when men had all the real power in country and have been both officially and traditionally considered more worth then women, and in culture where (in those years) innocence has been normal and expected, females have not been supposed to engage in sexual activities, at least not voluntarily and with enthusiasm (even enjoying it was a reason for suspicion...). She had to show resistance to prove that she was well behaved, she had good manners and morality. On the other hand, Rudolf was a resident of Moscow where this traditional roles started to change, but as a TV star he surely had enough experience both with local girls and those that were coming from distance, so he recognized the role she had to play.
But these roles in traditional Russia had other obligations as well, and she expected Rudolf to play by the rules - he was supposed to marry her. As he refused to do it and left her to handle pregnancy and motherhood on her own, she was disappointed and angry - however not because she was raped but because she was abandoned. And what he did was by far morally wrong than raping her, even if the rape happened. Surely, modern feminists won't agree with this, but modern feminists didn't live in Russia sixty years ago.
Uh. Been in a few situation where I was told "no", even with long term girlfriends and it was taken as a "no".
I know that men can be hard to stop in these situations, but "no" means "no" and, technically, it was a rape.
It does not have to involve violence or drug to make it a rape.