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Mandela Effect solved?


What if dolly had BRACES @the movie theaters ONLY but then the movie studio changed it to have NO BRACES after the theater run? If people swear that their VHS TAPES show dolly w/braces and then now there's NO BRACES? Then yes, that's very creepy!

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Its a bunch of BS. People are remembering braces because others have mistaken it in articles etc. So if one hasn't seen the movie in several years that's the way they remember it. I remember watching this and she definitely did not have braces. The goofiness was not that they both had metal mouths but that they were mismatched. One an ugly the other a beautiful nerd with glasses. They both smile goofily and walk into the sunset....if this stupid mandala effect bs had any Credence ALL OUR MEMORIES WOULD BE CHANGED..so again i call bullshit...

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Thank you! Yes, why is that NOBODY has or prove me us wrong by showing a video on YouTube of a VHS TAPE that previously showed dolly w/braces? Yes again, it would CHANGE LITERALLY EVERYTHING! Not some random movie scene! Well said G3........ BRAVO! BRAVO!

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Do you not understand how Mandela Effect works?? Dolly wearing braces no longer exists in this timeline. So how can anyone show you? But Dolly had braces in the movie theater showing and on VHS and DVD until around 2016 when they disappeared from history.

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No, it's not a bunch of BS. Dolly had braces and now does not.

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Yes, I understand how the M.E. works but IF she had braces on the ORIGINAL VHS TAPES, it would've shown up on YOUTUBE eventually! Besides, WHY and/or what's the signifance of that particular random scene to prove a point? Everything else would change as well!

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Respectfully Urogy, it does not seem you do.

The M.E. says that the timeline has changed and that few people have residual memory of how this timeline was before this change.... in other words, there can never be any proof except peoples recollections. Because the change also includes those old VHS recordings and everything else; as it is the whole history that has been changed ...that is the M.E. The perfect crime. Uneprovable.

In other words, IF you would have an old tape that actually showed her braces, then this tape DISproves such M.E. memories - it does NOT prove them.

Such tape would simply prove that in this timeline (this, our history) her braces were at one later point edited out of the film copies that we see today. And so this explains why some people remember her like this - because once she was like that.... If the old tapes, on the other hand, shows her without braces (as they do), then peoples memory of it can ONLY be explained by the M.E. or their faulty memory... see how it works?

Beyond shared memories, the M.E. can never (be definition) be proved, or even disproved.

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No she did not....with that goofy grim and big teeth, coupled with the fact some people misremembered it's easy to see how a bunch if people can think that. Unless you have watched this film every year since the opening anyone claimed she had them are letting the hype get to them. SHE NEVER HAD BRACES...SORRY. I have seen the film many many times since it opened,on video and DVD....never had them.....

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She always had them in my reality, I saw the film around 10 times and Dolly always had a mouth full of metal, just like Jaws. And it's not a few people, ALL Bond fans say she had braces. I saw the movie in 1979 in the movie theater and she had them. The scene isn't even correct without them. Sorry, but either you're remembering things wrong or you're from a reality where Dolly's braces were removed from the film a long time ago.

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I quizzed my Dad, who is a huge Bond fan and rewatched the entire series not long ago before Spectre came out, and he answered that she had braces.

It's interesting that the two Bond fan sites I have seen both list her as having braces, one of which has that description right next to a photo of her smiling with no braces.

I think it's more of a "would have been better with braces" memory than anything else, as it makes a lot of sense. From what I understand, the braces were planned in the script, but the producers or director likely dropped the concept so she doesn't look like she's underage.

I thought I remember seeing braces too, but it's been like 20 years since the one time I saw the movie. There's probably another popular movie with a very similar scene, two teens falling for each other and smiling when they notice they both have braces.

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No, she had braces in the film and thanks to some forces that we are not aware of she no longer has them. Just as in The Wizard of Oz the Scarecrow now has a revolver and the Tin Man a pipe wrench. Someone is messing with our history line or something very nefarious is going on. Also, Tom Cruise now has no glasses and is wearing a PINK shirt in Risky Business dance scene.

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There's no way Tom Cruise had the sun glasses on in the dance Scene. They would have fallen off. The scene is exactly the way I remember it. WITH THE PINK SHIRT....You just have a bad memory face it. You are trying to justify it by this stupid mandala bullshit. If the universe changed why do people remember it the proper way?

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Yes, Tom Cruises started off with Ray Bans and a white shirt. He takes off the shades shortly into the dance. Now there's no shades and his shirt is a striped pink. 99% remember it this way. People remember it the old way because memories do not change, obviously. Everyone knows the VW logo is a solid gleaming symbol. Suddenly it's received a horizontal split that nobody remembers, even guys who owned VWs and mechanics, etc. The Bible has also changed. Many passages are different now.

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Unless you have proof besides your faulty memory it never happened. I remember the pink shirt and no glasses during that scene and I have video to back it up....sorry there's no conspiracy here.

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Sunglasses confusion results from him having sunglasses on the poster and in many other scenes/stills. The shirt confusion is because it almost looks white.

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No, there's no confusion.

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The Mandela effect is simple: If someone accepts multiple examples, then it only takes one of them to disprove all of it.

For example, if they swear the Volvo logo was just a circle and the nameplate, with no arrow (ala the masculine symbol), then it can be demonstrated that the Nissan logo is the one they're thinking of, as it is identical to the Volvo logo but without the arrow.

If someone swears that Looney Tunes was actually Toons, then you just point out that "Tunes" derives from Merry Melodies, and the usage of music in the background.

Once one of them is proven to simply be an incorrect memory, then the "Mandela believer" realistically has no choice but to accept that their memory was indeed flawed, and thus can be flawed in more ways than that.

What's more is that the Mandela Effect examples are very few, when you compare them to the thousands/millions of possible examples that COULD arise. No one remembers everything perfectly.

If the believer only sticks with a handful of examples, well then that's just a handful of flawed memories.

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Sure, it's very likely that some of these examples are simply people misremembering things. But Dolly had braces, Tom Cruise had a white shirt and shades and Forrest Gump said IS like a box of chocolates. Darth Vader said Luke I'm your father. These are undisputed by millions of fans of these popular movies. And it was The Portrait of Dorian Gray (book). You cannot convince me (or yourself) otherwise, because that's how these were. Your theories are flawed because you base them on personal assumptions. Just because you have a bad memory doesn't mean everyone does. There are people with photographic memory who agree with me.

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-The Vader line has been stated with "Luke" since I was a kid, and it's been common knowledge for all that time that the line was technically different in the movie. Since "No, I am your father" lacks context, it is repeated as "Luke, I am your father." Very basic and very understandable. ALSO, Vader is responding to Luke's statement about Vader killing his father, so for him to state Luke's name at the beginning of his response would be silly. He denies the lie by starting with "No."

-Forrest Gump's mother says her quote with "is" in one of her lines when she is on her deathbed or in the hospital, talking to Forrest. Thus, that line is indeed in the movie.

-You can actually find "Portrait of Dorian Gray," and it's another one I remember from childhood as being confusing:
https://www.amazon.com/Portrait-Dorian-Gray-Picture-Readers/dp/1450541712

-Photographic memory is actually not everything it's made out to be.

=)

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So why would both James Earle Jones and David Prowse remember it as Luke, I am your father?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Auto-card-Vader-David-Prowse-Luke-I-am-your-father-inscription-PSA-DNA-/272784595858?hash=item3f833a9b92:g:neMAAOSwKytZERlz

The book used to be called Portrait and is now called Picture, which is incorrect. Like I said, your theories lose all credibility and cannot be applied in the real world, it's all just conjecture.

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Lol @ you talking about the real world

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I'm sure you are, but that doesn't change a thing, now does it...

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Which side of Australia do you remember New Zealand being near?

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Some of them are very silly, like the Volvo logo being the same as the masculine symbol. If it didn't have that, it would be the Nissan logo.

What I find most interesting is the shot of John Ellis with his "Bond #1" (aka Nelson) and "Mandela" signs at CERN in the "happy" video. That's just weird.

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There's a Brady bunch episode where Marcia and boyfriend both end of getting braces...

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I guess this issue is very polorizing issue for many! However, I find it 99.99% absolutely impossible for the Mandela effect to "remove" dolly's braces from VHS TAPES that at one time DID have dolly wearing braces! Someone showing their personally owned VHS TAPE on YouTube w/dolly wearing NO BRACES is NOT clear evidence (verdict) b/c again, why is it that NOBODY has at least one VHS TAPE showing dolly wearing braces? If there was such a video, we would've all seen it by now and and in NO WAY that CERN would "erase" that particular YouTube video showing dolly w/ZERO BRACES! SORRY...... I call COMPLETE BULLSH*T on this!

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And again, WHY would CERN select only random entertainment movies for having ZERO IMPORTANCE?

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Exactly. People who believe this bs have boring mundane lives. Plus why would I and others.remember things the exact way they are portrayed?

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Great point G3.....

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This board has 4 years of posts, nothing about braces prior to 2017.

Good explanation: https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/moonraker-dolly-did-not-wear-braces

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I could have sworn she had braces the first few times I watched it. It made so much more sense that way. Jaws opens his mouth to reveal his metal teeth and she smiles as her braces glisten in the sunlight, they share something in common and it's love at first sight! I was shocked when I watched it more recently and she wasn't wearing braces.

I don't really believe in the Mandela effect, however. I guess maybe we were all just really expecting her to be wearing braces in that scene and our mind just sort of filled in the blanks or whatever.

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