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"The Last of the V8's" Theory


People have speculated for a long time about the comment "the last of the V8's" talking about how did the barbarians have all the V8's for their rides. I just paused netflix to share what I just realized.

1) Night rider stole a similar car for his chase and eventual death. there is a line about how that car is one of two (I think)

2) Max asks how it was put together (a piece from here... a piece from there) probably because the force is struggling for money and he knew it would never be officially approved from the budget.

3) the scene in the office, after Max views the black falcon interceptor for the first time the two men are talking about enticing him to stay with a hotrod the "candy". talking about a waste of money.

it had occurred to me, just now and probably embarrassingly so... the V8's were not the last V8's in the WORLD they are the last V8's the force could afford to own because of the budget issues. the night rider car chase showed their yellow cars getting torn up. repairs and replacing their own cars plus what damage happens from the car chases probably eats up a lot of their budget, not even considering injuries and death benefits for officers.


so I don't think its necessarily a plot hole or a mistake that the car is so prized and people look at it like its an impossibility. people that know the financial situation of the force probably couldn't fathom how (or why) it happened.

just my thoughts on it. I have watched it so many times I am embarrassed that just now caught it. <Mad Max has a PLOT? j/k>

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Um, Max's car isn't just a V8, it is a Super Charged V8. That is rare no matter how you look at. Look at the price of a Super Charged V8 today. They said Max's car has over 600 horsepower, that is amazing power even in 2014.

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from a certain perspective that statement is true.

I took the black interceptor Falcon to have been assembled from used parts that were gleaned from other cars. "a piece from here, a piece from there" depending on who you are... it could seem pretty common and not that big of a deal. you don't even need a supercharger to get 600 these days if you have the right engine. 600 is too much for a lot of used engine blocks to handle. I have seen 350 chevy and 302 ford engines split down the middle from too much power stressing them and probably flaws in the casting.

in the world of Mad Max it was probably a bigger deal than our world of 2014.

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I wouldn't take that '600 horse' literally (is it even in the movie?)

V8 engines are definitely on the way out. Ford is stopping production of theirs and most other manufacturers don't even offer one.
People perceive them as wasteful and inefficient, but i get as good mileage as a six cylinder engine on the highway (urban kills it), with power on tap should i need to overtake.

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Yeah, the mechanic says '600 horsepower through the wheels!', so I guess he'd tested it.

Sadly I think V8's are becoming a thing of the past, jeez even f1 cars are hybrids now. Before we know it internal combustion engines will be a thing of the past.

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"Yeah, the mechanic says '600 horsepower through the wheels!', so I guess he'd tested it.

Sadly I think V8's are becoming a thing of the past, jeez even f1 cars are hybrids now. Before we know it internal combustion engines will be a thing of the past.

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Luckily, it seems muscle is still poular, and even the import companies are still offering nasty power in their V8's.

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I LOVE your signature!

lol thanks, I watch NCFOM every time it's on TV just for that line, something about it really tickles me.



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I can't stop watching that movie. Tommy Lee Jones is at his best. He and his deputy have a hilarious chemistry, with his really dry sense of humor.

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I also watch 'Flight' just to hear John Goodman say to the nurse (referring to her in the third person), "She's offended. She should be, I'm a pig". Just so beautifully delivered. It might be my next signature when I'm sick of this one.

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In Road Warrior I remember someone referring to Max's car as the "last V8 Interceptor", so maybe they meant that when they said "the last of the V8s" in the original movie, as all the other Interceptors around were probably not V8.

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The stuttering mechanic referred to it as "the last of the V8's", maybe he meant they were phasing them out.....

As for the other police vehicles in MM1, they were all V8's.

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He doesn't say to the wheels actually so it's at the crank. He does say 600hp which is very possible with a blown 351 Cleveland.

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It's possible we've seen different versions, but in the original Australian one he certainly says, "Six hundred horsepower through the wheels".

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The only reason forced induction V8s are so expensive is that the only cars that have them are super expensive luxury cars, like AMG Mercedes S class, Bentley and so on.

I don't think as a technology, a forced induction V8 is necessarily that expensive considering the number of cars that have forced induction V6s and 4 cylinder engines.

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I assume he means its the last NEW V8 off the production lines, the end of the line, the most advanced there is or will be. The other V8s you see are older less capable models.

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I take the car to have been built from salvaged parts "a piece from here, a piece from there".

The V8 351 Cleveland was really no more technologically advanced than any other standard push rod V8 engine. even the supercharger is old technology for that car.

the weiand supercharger is an aftermarket part. you can put it on just about any V8 of similar size with the right manifold, distributor, and compression ratio to get good power.

having watched it again since the OP I made a few weeks ago... I am thinking that its possible that they didn't even build the engine, they took the engine in one piece from a different car and put it in the Falcon. if they were living in a time of limited resources they would not be able to just "find" proper pistons rings and rods on a crankshaft that would take the supercharger.

if the engine was already built and in a wrecked car they could take it because the hard part was done.

I am not saying my theory is right, it's just how I see it.

the guy at the junk yard with the used tires he offered Max, "I don't know where I got em, but I got em" makes me think that scavenging for car parts from the wrecks on the highways, is pretty common.

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Yeah its deliberately vague. I know that the ACTUAL engines in real life are largely comparable, but within the 'movie lore' the suggestion is that there is something final and special about this last one. The last and the best. I think theres a risk of interpreting it too closely to what we now actually know of the engines of the time. As such its a sorta 'parallel universe' sort of movie. And yeah, scavenging has now become the norm. I actually live about 30-40 ks from Fat Nancy's (the roadhouse Goose started from), I know its a bit of a wreck but I might pop up there and take some photos.

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If you do get photos please share them. :D

I would be interested to see the place as it is now.

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You are correct; The line means it is just the last of the MFP Interceptors outfitted with a V8. This is confirmed in Mad Max 2 when the mechanic at the compound gushes "The last of the V8 Interceptors!"

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'Interceptor'. Such a freakin' great name for a law enforcement car, gives me half a chub.

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Ford thought so too 

http://www.ford.com/fordpoliceinterceptor/

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Hmm. That comes off as a bit wanky for some reason. It suited the cars in Max's universe, but these ones? Not so much, especially the SUV.

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Yeah, I agree the car's not that cool. But I wonder if they didn't get the idea to used the name Interceptor from Mad Max.

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tenantennae
I wonder if they didn't get the idea to used the name Interceptor from Mad Max.

I don't know, but they've used 'pursuit' since 1960 (Falcon XP)
http://www.auscarbadges.com/images/ford/IMG_0801.JPG
and it's still used by Ford Special Vehicles (FPV)
http://liveimages.motoring.com.au/motoring/general/editorial/ge5190672 403145483416.jpg?aspect=centered&height=290&width=440

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There was a Jenson Interceptor, made in the UK, from 1966-1976.

I doubt the directors were bothered with things like trademarks. Why would they, when almost all the "stunts" were actually crashes, with the director screaming "To hell with the driver/rider and keep filming!" on roads that weren't even closed to the public?

You don't make a film for $100k without cutting lots of corners.

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1) Night rider stole a similar car for his chase and eventual death. there is a line about how that car is one of two (I think)
Can't remember that being mentioned, and in any case the car he stole was a different make (Holden) and was around well before 'max's' interceptor anyway so I'm not sure how it has any bearing on the Falcon being the last one or not.

(a piece from here... a piece from there)
Don't you mean "a ppppppiece from here, a ppppppiece from there?"

3) the scene in the office, after Max views the black falcon interceptor for the first time the two men are talking about enticing him to stay with a hotrod the "candy". talking about a waste of money.
lol that does seem like an odd and very expensive tactic to employ to tempt a grown man to stay in a job he knows is messing up his head. Goose maybe, but not a responsible family man like Max.

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The Holden was also an "interceptor". Blacked out, hot engine... different make but still very similar. parking the falcon next to the Holden it would be apparent that they were on the same team.

the way it seems to fit in my mind... possibly... that they had the Holden and the falcon left. probably because the fleet of cars has been decimated through car chases and collisions and not replaced . the Holden got destroyed by the night rider and that left the falcon to be the last of the V8's in police service.


that's what makes sense to me.

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I got the idea that the Falcon was a new creation. Built/modified from stock after the Monaro was destroyed, and completely separate.

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yeah I agree. I think the falcon was probably a car they already had and in the process of being "built" before the beginning of the movies timeline. it stands to reason that they built the holden with the intention of having the falcon too. once the holden was destroyed it put priority on the falcon to get it up and running so they would not be without a special pursuit vehicle.

but the holden couldn't have been that special if Max could run up on it with the yellow police car like everyone else had.


maybe I'm over thinking it but there seems to be layers of story that they left intentionally open to interpretation or just sloppy storytelling. lol

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You may be overthinking it. Everything indicates the Falcon was simply built as toy to seduce Max, and was never a part of anything beforehand.

I hear what you're saying about Max's pursuit car running down the Monaro at the start, but maybe the Night Rider wasn't that careful with it on his escape and subsequent flight 9he is after all a lunatic), and so it wasn't in the best shape by the time Max got involved. Plus, Max was the no.1 driver so he may have had the pick of the pursuit cars.

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Ah, I just broke out a copy on DVD and I notice that in the first scene, while the other bronze's car is marked 'pursuit' on the back, Max's is marked 'Interceptor'. I guess he was the main man with the good car after all.

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GatorMouth
but the holden couldn't have been that special if Max could run up on it with the yellow police car like everyone else had.

I'll quote that other famous Falcon driver:
"I've made a couple of special modifications myself".😜

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TerraFirma69
Ah, I just broke out a copy on DVD and I notice that in the first scene, while the other bronze's car is marked 'pursuit' on the back, Max's is marked 'Interceptor'. I guess he was the main man with the good car after all.

Big Bopper is Pursuit. March Hare (XA) is also Interceptor.
Did you notice the Monaro has MFP painted on the back? it's also got their logo on the rear quarters.


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right on. I'll have to watch it again when i get a chance.

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Big Bopper is Pursuit. March Hare (XA) is also Interceptor.
Right you are.

Did you notice the Monaro has MFP painted on the back? it's also got their logo on the rear quarters.
I'd seen the MFP on the number plate, but that logo always looked like a patch of rust. It's in about the right spot for it.

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That Monaro must have been pretty slow, not only does max catch it up fairly quickly, but so does Charlie, twice!

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Why don't you cut the Night Rider some slack? He may have been very conscious of his carbon footprint. We all know taking it easy on the throttle reduces fuel consumption significantly, and with no hybrids being available at that time he's doing what he can. Jeez.

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Unless I'm reading things wrong, it seems like people might have missed the part where the police dispatcher describes the stolen car as a "pursuit special", so of course it would have "mfp" on it.

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Considering the generally large supply of functioning V8s in the functioning civilization Max occupies, I'm not sure how it's the last of anything. They could always rebuild an existing V8 motor from somewhere else or combine parts from several to make a working engine.

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This is an Australian movie and the last of the V8 line is more about the Ford XA GT HO that was the fastest production car ever made in Australia and was banned from the road in 1974 i think it was.

It has become an icon to motorheads here.

The 3 that are still around, it could be 2 i am not sure but they are worth over $500,000.00 AUD

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Just some points.

* I believe that the underground mechanic was alluding to the fact that with the decline in civilization, decay in society and low supplies of petrol, no more new V8s engined cars will ever be produced. In the late 1970s (and even now) that is not too hard to imagine, especially after the 1973 oil crisis. Ford Australia stopped making V8s in 1983, and Holden stopped making large sedans (Kingswood etc) and moved to a smaller/lighter more efficient dunnydore (Commodore). Holden made their last 308ci (5.0L) V8 in 1999. All V8 engines fitted to Australian made cars (Commodore and Falcon) are now imported from the USA. It's only a matter of time till they stop making them as well.

* The mechanic most probably had a shifty contact (presumably at Ford) who sold/gave him the engine, "a p-p-piece from here a piece from there".

* At the beginning of the film it shows Max under the bonnet tinkering around with the engine of his yellow XB Ford Falcon 'Interceptor'. I always took this to mean that he often works on his car in his spare time and therefore it is highly modified (when was the last time you saw a cop working on his cop car? lol). Hence his car being faster than the average cop car (in Max's universe) and how he catches up with 'The Nightrider'. Max is also the 'go to' guy, that's why they don't even involve him till after the other cop cars are all disabled, as if Max is thinking "ok so you guys failed, now move over and watch how it's done". :)
My best friend while growing up was a Ford fan and I was a Holden fan (motorsport), every time we'd watch the scene where Max catch up to The Nightrider my friend would turn to me and say something like "ha the Ford rips the Holden!" He still does it till this day. :)


Just to clear the cars up...
Max's yellow car is a XB Ford Falcon 351ci (5.8L Cleveland V8).
Roop and Charlie's yellow car is a XB Ford Falcon 302ci (4.9L Windsor V8).
Big Bopper's yellow car is a XA Ford Falcon 250ci (4.1L inline 6 cylinder) (dunno how it kept up).
All the yellow cop cars are 4 door sedans.

The black 'Pursuit Special' that Crawford Montizano a.k.a The Nightrider stole with his 'floozie' at the start of the film was a Holden Monaro LS 2-door coupe with either a Holden 308ci (5.0L) V8 or a Chevrolet 350ci (5.8L) V8 (they came out with both, never mentions which in the film and there are no visual clues). I'd say the 350ci Chev, considering those (fake) side pipes. :)
For our American friends, Holden are the Aussie GM branch (who will sadly end local production in 2017 after almost 80 years).

Max's legendary black supercharged 'Pursuit Special' was a XB Ford Falcon 351ci (5.7L Cleveland V8) 2-door coupe (hardtop) with a Weiland 'blower' which in Max's world he can magically engage and disengage at a whim! We all know that that cannot be done in the real world, but we all wanted one just like that when we grew up! The blower itself was a plastic prop, it wasn't actually connected to anything and had no effect on the performance of the engine. There's a replica of Mad Max's black 2-door Holden 'Pursuit Special' at Silverton (near Broken Hill) with a very similar supercharger (even down to the Weiland letters), hasn't any booby-trapped boot-mounted fuel tanks though.

Sorry for the long post.

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It's been a long time since I've seen this so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember the movie ever specifically mentioning the engine sizes in any of the other vehicles.

In reality they all might have been V8s, but in the world of Mad Max they could have been V6s, four cylinders, whatever. Wasn't fuel supposedly becoming more scarce? It would be much more practical and cost effective for them to maintain a fleet of smaller sized engines, perhaps modified for greater performance.

Movie reality doesn't always follow true reality (just as you pointed out concerning the nonfunctional blower) so in the reality of Mad Max it could very well have been the only functional V8...at least the only functional V8 left in the Bronze's fleet of pursuit vehicles.

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In actual fact, a supercharger *can* engaged or disengaged, Mercedes racing cars in the 30's had a system, whereby when you floored it, it clicked a button underneath the accelerator and engaged the blower.
There have even been people in modern times who've emulated the Mad-Max thing, using a clutch mechanism to engage the blower pulley (I think they used similar tech found on tractors to engage the PTO without having to press a clutch pedal).

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From memory didn't the yellow pursuit cars have the XB tail lights but with XC interiors which would indicate they were XC's.

Edit - Found this

http://www.madmaxmovies.com/mad-max-fans/mad-max-replica-cars/mad-max-mfp/george-frederick-yellow-xb-interceptor-replica/george-frederick-car-show-display-2002-1.jpg


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by Deadpool_pop
I hate to burst your bubble but... XB's never had square headlights or that shape rear end. When you see inside it you can also see it has the XC interior.


You're way wrong, the XC has a different dashboard to the XB and XA, and it's clearly an XB interior shown in the movie.

Or that shape rear end???
what?
they all had the same body, only updates were to the front end sheet metal and all had different taillights, the shape is too close to tell apart otherwise.

The square headlights aren't XC either, they are aftermarket.

XC interior
http://cobra.jfpresentations.com/images/019/interior3.jpg

XB interior. note the dogleg panels that stick out either side of the steering wheel.
http://bestmoviecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/1974-Ford-XB-Falcon-GT-Interior.jpg


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