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Is there a religious agenda behind this?


I remember this cartoon from when I was wee; our family was the first in our town to have a VCR back in '80, (back in the days of £10 for a blank video...Eek!), this was the first thing ever we ever taped off the telly...and it remained on that tape for 11 frickin' years. (Along with an old Danish cartoon of "The Little Mermaid", a Disney cartoon about the history of flight called "Fly with Von Drake" and "The Snowman")....brings back memories. *sniffs*

Anyways. It was on British telly over here earlier this year, and I (annoyingly) caught the last 5 minutes of it as I was leaving for work. But I noticed in the credits that it was funded by some American-Christian-Church-type group...which made me wonder; With all the religious backlash against "Harry Potter" et al recently, you'd think they'd have the same opinion of "The Lion, The Witch...", as it contains the use of magic/sorcery as well. So is there a religious undertone to the story? And if not, how was the story approved of by thisy mysterious Church group?

I hpoe they release this on DVD soon to cash in on the new film, just like they did with the animated Lord of the Rings film...

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C. S. Lewis was a devote Christina and good friend of J. R. R. Tolken. The story is basically good triumphing over evil. If you study the original story closely you can see the analogies drawn from Christianity.

Christians who protest Harry Potter have too much time on their hands.

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even if you don't study it all that closely...

aslan is clearly the jesus figure. sacrificed, resurrected, disappears again, with promises to return when the time is right?

how about edmund as an amalgamation of adam and eve? and the white witch as the serpent in the garden of eden? turkish delight=fruit from the tree...?

just a few of the more obvious things... there's a lot of role-playing. the whole narnia series is very much a biblical summary. it's no surprise that some sort of bible association had something to do with the making of it. especially this version - it's very... clear in its undertones. frightened me when i was a kid. i love it to death though. still watch it once in a while, when i'm feeling nostalgic.

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Lewis has admitted that any Christian references weren't put in on purpose. It was just meant to be a fantasy story. Some Christians find Narnia blasphemous with its use of Pagan folklore too.

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I read that they weren't pre-planned and just occurred to him as he wrote it. They were very obviously deliberate, especially in the later books (were they're explicit)

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Lewis denied that they were allegorical but said they were a supposal instead. The concept is 'what if there were other worlds and Jesus visited those worlds too?'. Aslan doesn't represent Jesus, Aslan is Jesus.

Although the fact that he just so happens to go through something very similar in Narnia that he did on Earth does make the story feel very allegorical in any case (the death and resurrection on the Stone Table is clearly allegorical for the death of Christ on the cross).

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Yes you are right.

C.S. Lewis's specialty was Christian Allegory (allegory is symbolization using simple things). He wrote many books on faith and such with different types of stories throughout that contained allegorical christian subjects. After Lewis had become widely popular with these stories, some of his advisors sought it best that he write a children's book of some sort. Lewis, being the witty man that he was, decided to retell the story of Christ with this story.

The whole idea is: "What if God has created other worlds other than our own? How would Christianity work for them?" That is what Narnia is; another world created by God, with many parallels to the biblical stories of our world.

Aslan, clearly, represents God and Jesus Christ. For of course, in "The Magician's Nephew", Aslan is the creator of Narnia and all of it's inhabitants. And of course, in the lion, witch, and wardrobe. He gives his life to save the his children, and was later resurected, the exact same thing that Jesus Christ did for all of us.

The White Witch represents Satan and all things evil. If you notice, the White Witch at first never seems to be doing any harm directly, but by tempting others to do it for her, which is precisely how Satan works.

The four children in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, represent Christ's followers... mainly the diciples in this book. Edmund, the young boy who is tempted into betraying his own family, sort of seems to represent Judas Ascariot, the disciple who betrayed Christ and ultimately payed for his execution. Edmund is tempted by the White Witch with Turkish Delight, the sweet enchanted candies that cause it's consumer to want more and more and more until they eat themselves to death. These dangerous Turkish Delight sweets, represent Lust.

People who become lustful of things whether it be money, power, or other examples, will never be satisfied with their temporary fill. They only want more and more and more and more. They will become so obsessed that they will betray the people that they love most, only to get another taste of what they want so badly. Judas was lustful of money and became so obsessed that he sold over the life of his lord Jesus Christ only to gain a few golden coins.

Throughout the other books that follow LWW, there are tons of paralleled events that are in sync with the Bible itself.

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C.S. Lewis said that Aslan was NOT an allegory.

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Aslan is not God. Aslan is certainly a Christ-like figure, but the true God is the Emperor Beyond the Sea, who is never really seen but always seems to be somehow controlling events. Aslan is the physical representation of that Emperor in Narnia. I'm surprised nobody seems to remember the Emperor, maybe its because he's only referenced a few times throughout the series, keeping it very mysterious. And is anybody else annoyed how the new movie keeps touting itself as the first entry in the Narnia series? Whatever happened to The Magician's Nephew? Not as exciting as Lion, Witch, Wardrobe, but It laid the groundwork for the whole series.

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The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe actually was the first book written in the Cronicles series. The Magician's Nephew came later as sort of a prequel to explain why the wardrobe could get the Pevensies into Narnia.

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No actually The Magicians Nephew is the first one look at the Chronicles page on Wikipedia this is what it says:

Gresham quoted Lewis' reply to a letter from an American fan in 1957, who was having an argument with his mother about the order:

"I think I agree with your order (i.e. chronological) for reading the books more than with your mother's. The series was not planned beforehand as she thinks. When I wrote The Lion I did not know I was going to write any more. Then I wrote P. Caspian as a sequel and still didn't think there would be any more, and when I had done The Voyage I felt quite sure it would be the last. But I found as I was wrong. So perhaps it does not matter very much in which order anyone read them. I'm not even sure that all the others were written in the same order in which they were published."

Nevertheless, the reordering has angered many fans of the series, who appreciate the original order as it introduces important parts of the Narnia universe in the early part of the series and then provides explanation for them later in the prequels, in particular the creation story in The Magician's Nephew. Other arguments for the publication order include that Prince Caspian is subtitled "The Return to Narnia", and that the following fragments of text from The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe support it as being the first book in the series:

None of the children knew who Aslan was, any more than you do.

That is the very end of the adventure of the wardrobe. But if the Professor was right, it was only the beginning of the adventures of Narnia.



So it doesn't matter what order the fans like Lewis wanted them to be read in that order but to Disney it doesn't matter because Lewis Family sold his estate and lost all rights to Narnia.

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I've never had any interest in religion and I enjoy the Narnia chronicles as awork of pure fantasy as it can also be looked at from the athiet's perspective. Just look, it's quite clear, Aslan only represents the sun. the sun is why we have spring (the vernal equinox) and Christmas (the winter solstice) and without the sun of course it would be always winter and never Christmas. When fairy tales were first invented many differnt cultures made up the same story of a hero that came to Earth and did all the things based on the twelve cycles of the sun.

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look at this site, it can explain the christian allegory better than i can. however, i will say that c.s. lewis was a brilliant writer. you should read some more of his works.

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/lion/themes.html


http://www.reasons.org

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I know he did the scretape letters. But what else did he do (that's fiction?)

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The Christian allegory in LW&W is pretty obvious, as it is in LOTR and in Smallville (they crucify poor Clark every chance they get).

It seems like I'm the only one who sees it in Shin CuteyHoney, which means it probably isn't really there (even though she's on a cross in the second ep... and comes back in a flash of light... and has no sin nature... and...).



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The subject comes up often enough.

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LOTR, though by a Catholic and influenced by Christian belief (belief being something that is hard to shake off or filter down) it isn't really allegory (which Tolkien claimed to have hated) and does not follow the Bible much (as LTWATW does), in many ways it's more heathen (remember Tolkien was interested in English, Norse and Finnish mythology) than Christian, hence the creatures from Germanic Heathenism such as Elves, Trolls, Dwarves, Goblins/Orcs (also known in folklore and/or mythology as Orcneás (England) and in their "friendly" forms as Cofgodas (England: Old English for "cove-gods"), Kobewalt (Old High German for "room-ward") Kobolds (Germany), the O.E. Puca, M.E. Pouke, Mod.E. Puck (England), puki (Scandinavia) putz (Germany), Bogels (England and Lowland Scotland), and the German Böggel-mann) along with the allusions to Germanic and Finnish tales and Gods in 'The Silmarillion', and 'The Hobbit' has a plot derived from Beowulf, and the whole landscape is an Anglocised form of Norse Mythology (we don't know many of the English names...etc... as English Mythology isn't as well attested as Norse Myth and so Mirkwood and the names of the Dwarves and Gandalf are of Norse origin though anglocised thus "Myrkvid" became "Murkwood", "Dvalin" became "Dwalin"...etc...).

"Nothings gonna change my world!"

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He wrote a trilogy of space adventures:

Out of the Silent Planet
Perelandra
That Hideous Strength

Those are the only ones I can think of.

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While one can, of course, find allegorical elements in _The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ and the other Chronicles, I don't believe it works out as a one-to-one analogy to orthodox Heilsgeschichte or theological summa.

Myself a Christian, I must confess that I find the exclusive belabouring of the books' religious overtones, undercurrents, etc. rather tedious. I enjoy the stories as children's classics containing elements of Good Story: fantasy, adventure, and the development of ordinary virtues through extraordinary events. (Whether these are Good Stories because they reflect eternal verities could be, I imagine, a subject of well-nigh endless debate.) I also love Lewis' attention to simple details like the joys of exploring, of rain and sun, and not least, food (as in the Beavers' dinner or Lucy's tea with Mr. Tumnus.)

The Deep Space trilogy is also brilliant, I think: social satire, philosophical meditation, and elegant reimagining of Arthurian legends in a world threatening to become a dystopia. Who could ask for more?

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So is there a religious undertone to the story? And if not, how was the story approved of by thisy mysterious Church group?


Aslan sacrifices himself to pay in blood for the sins of Edmund, only to be resurrected afterwards according to the deep magic of the Emperor Across The Sea. Yeah, I think there's a few religious undertones to the book :oP

The undertones become less subtle in the later books as well.

Heck, the Lady of the Green Kirtle's comments about Aslan and Narnia in The Silver Chair seem to be an obvious parody of the atheist's David Hume's about God.

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Dude pretty much everything written by C.S. Lewis is about Christianity.

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