Terrible film.


I bought this because I am a fan of Martian Arts movies, and have found this flick listed on a few Top 10 lists. In a word, it's brutal. It is filled with horrible Ernest-like moments, with bumbling fat guys falling on their faces. The comedy repeatedly falls flat (get it? that was funnier than anything in the movie), and the Kung Fu is good, but there is relatively little of it. If you are a fan of Kung Fu films, you will know they are divided very distinctly into two groups; slapstick 3 stooges comedy with fight scenes, and serious revenge flicks. Most of the slapstick movies are difficult to watch, because the Chinese version of comedy from the 70's means grossly overacting, reminding me of how silent films were done when they had no audio to convey anything so had to substitute massively overdone acting. The dialog is equally terrible, whether you watch this with subs or dubbed. There are horribly lame groaners throughout.

The fighting, when it finally rolls around, is ok, but not great. Very choreographed, you can almost see the fighters running their next moves through their heads. Sammo Hung is a fine fighter, but this film does not do him justice. If you are looking for good Kung Fu, look elsewhere.

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We'll have to agree to disagree. I certainly can't claim to be an expert in Martial Arts flicks along the lines of Ric Meyers, but I have seen more than my fair share. I much prefer the films which keep a serious tone; Shaolin Temple (1982), 36th Chamber (1978), Enter the Dragon (1973), The Big Boss (1971), Fist of Legend (1994), Ong Bak (2003), or any of the modern Wuxia films (Crouching Tiger, Flying Daggers, Golden Flower, Hero).

I just cannot stand the slapstick moments in movies like Magnificent Butcher (or for that matter, any of the Once Upon a Time in China series), I feel it detracts enormously from the film. If they have to have comedic moments, I would prefer if they stuck to scenes such as the calligraphy routine combining both comedy and Kung Fu, or the scene with the guy fighting cat-style. But Butcher doesn't just stick to that, instead, it has scene after scene of fat guys pulling Home Alone faces and running away or falling down. But then they throw in some serious scenes, such as the murder of Master Ko's daughter. The contrast of Ernest moments with the brutal nature of her death just didn't work. I read many reviews before buying this film and was waiting to be overwhelmed. Instead, I was just hoping the damn thing would end.

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I just saw Kill Zone (Saat Po Long). Now there is a Sammo Hung movie to brag about! The climactic fight scene between Hung and Donnie Yen is incredible, they just go at each other like there is no tomorrow. Despite his girth (and the fact that he is in his 50's), Hung has not lost a step. Donnie Yen is able to showcase his impressive strength during the fight by throwing around the close-to-300 hundred pound Hung without the aid of wires.

The movie is classic Hong Kong action, no one worried about a sequel, or changing the ending to appeal to a focus group, this is what Martial Arts is all about. And the Hung-Yen showdown is not even the best fight in the flick, that honour goes to the no-holds-barred blitzkrieg between Donnie Yen and Jacky Wu. Highly recommended. And no infantile humour!!

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Martian....Arts? Is this a troll topic? When will you guys get that sarcasm doesn't read on the internet?

Unless you're serious. Then....hoo boy. Okay, so I saw that in this thread you enjoyed Sha Po Lang. Good man. A fine flick and great martial arts action. However I have a few issues with your criticism.

-You're very indicting of the slapstick style, but please try and understand that the comedy in this movie is very Chinese in nature. Without a Chinese upbringing in that time period, you might not understand the nature of the comedy. It's supposed to be loud, over the top, and overbearing. That's what was considered funny at that point in Chinese filmmaking. Many modern Chinese comedies are distillations of that style even today.

It seems you know a little about the slapstick style found in these comedies, but don't let it bother you so much, it's not what the main attraction of the movie is, and it's something you must understand in a cultural context.

-The choreography. This was one of Yuen Woo-Ping's greatest, earliest efforts. The rythmic style you are criticizing was the norm for many Gung Fu flicks of the time, if not all (Aside from Bruce). Fluid, single beat fights were not found until much later, and it's Yuen Woo-Ping that helped revolutionize this.
However, at this point, the Shaw Brothers style of 2 Beat choreography was still very much in vogue, and before going total experimentalist, Yuen Woo-Ping felt it was safer to transition into a single beat style instead of jumping head first.

In the choreography you can see a lot of changes, quick beats, and intricate movements. The adaptations to environment and technique is amazing. Not to mention the interesting hidden weapon opponent that Yuen Biao faces and the Monkey Staff vs. Tonfa/Broadsword battle that coincides with it. The cast is acrobatic and able to pull off some truly amazing tricks, spicing up the 1-2 beats every now and then with some truly impressive acrobatics that pre-dates the tricking of guys like Tony Jaa.

The fights have much more level and change in them than many of the Shaw Brothers movies. There is so much going on that the rich tapestry of physical prowess can be viewed again and again. All of the movements are so clean and crisp from the performers and there is some truly decent representation of Hung Gar and a few other Chinese styles in this one.

You say there isn't much Gung Fu, however there are many small, isolated struggles that are equally as well choreographed as the rest of the large pieces in the film. Every sequence has a clear, fun, and inventive idea in it and Yuen Woo-Ping half assed nothing here. Again, the performers from the legendary Kwan Tak-Hing to Sammo himself are all in great form, able to carry out the movements with precision.

All in all, Magnificent Butcher is a pristine example of 70's, studio-style Gung Fu movies, with ideas and movements in the choreography that are sizzling, interesting, and infinitely rewatchable.

"Bulls**t MR.Han Man!!"--Jim Kelly in Enter the Dragon

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This movie is a bad joke.

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