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Protestant culture...

posted 9 years ago by nedeljkodjukic88
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...got over the edge while developing intellectual and rational part of a human's personality. People became too self-orientated and egoistic while searching for something they felt was missing inside of them. That's what is destroying The family as an institution in the western society, giving birth to every other social problem.
And that's what Joanna felt she was missing, too. Everybody's concentrating on pursuing their careers thinking that will make them feel complete but it only brings more misery.
*small spoilers ahead*
She was feeling lost, unfulfilled and not useful? Well, she could've got herself a job. Yes, mother is the most important person in every child's life (especially from 3-5 years of age), but she could've paid a nanny from the earned money. Ted worked, took care of a kid, without the nanny. All alone. He managed somehow. Because he loved his son and felt responsible for him. The child doesn't come from out of nowhere, by it's own will. Father and mother are responsible for that. where was Ted when his son hit his head? HE was there!
The bigger reason why Joanna left Ted was that she needed a man, meaning a lover. He neglected her cause of his work. But that need she felt was more important to her than her own child - that's where she lost every sympathy from me. It's simply selfish and irresponsible.

[–] Stirchley 9 years ago

Protestant culture? What the heck has that to do with this movie? (You do know Hoffman is Jewish?)

[–] nedeljkodjukic88 9 years ago

I commented on the movie, its plot. The movie plot is not about actors (Hoffman), but about characters (Kramers). And even if those were Jewish, it wouldn't make much difference - what I described is the way things were back then, and even more now, in western society, civilisation. That way of life prevails there anyway.

[–] PacificHeights 9 years ago

Deminishing the role of the family unit has nothing to do with Protestant culture. It was initiated by feminists whose base was almost entirely upper-class and Jewish.

[–] nedeljkodjukic88 9 years ago

Even if it was

initiated by feminists whose base was almost entirely upper-class and Jew*sh

it was obviously very well accepted by the western society, its population, which is mainly protestant, and is mostly represented there. With a reason.

[–] InherentlyYours 9 years ago

"back then" (1980) was not long ago, unless you're young . And pursuing what you think you missed is not limited to Protestant culture. As usual, most everything on any given board must be deeply analyzed, and related to politics, religion, etc.

[–] nedeljkodjukic88 8 years ago

I just said "back then" - not that it was long ago. For someone 35 years ago might be long ago, for somebody else not so long ago. It doesn't matter, it's taken relatively.

And pursuing what you think you missed is not limited to Protestant culture.

I didn't say it was limited to Protestant culture, but that it took root there and is mostly represented there, with a reason. And is spreading ever since in similar, so-called developed countries (it's a different way of life in US, UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, Western Europe than it is in the rest of Europe, Asia,...).
I analyzed a movie on a message board for that movie. That's what usually people do there. Don't read them if you don't like that.
But, maybe I should write about actors' hairstyles or who was the hottest chick in a movie? Or a weather prognosis, cake recipe?

[–] InherentlyYours 8 years ago

Were you born in 1988, and not from the US?
The film could be referenced as a feminist issue or symbolic of the newly liberated time-era, not religion. It's not as if the West/USA is mostly Protestant. (or perhaps you mean upper white middle class)

But you're right: weather prognosis/ cake recipes is not for the imdb board

[–] nedeljkodjukic88 8 years ago

Were you born in 1988, and not from the US?

Yes, as it is pretty obvious from my username.

The film could be referenced as a feminist issue or symbolic of the newly liberated time-era, not religion. It's not as if the West/USA is mostly Protestant. (or perhaps you mean upper white middle class)

It could and should, but religion as well, because those are all social spheres and matters that interlace and influence life. As one gets stronger, the other gets weaker and vice versa.
The countries I mentioned are/were part of British Commonwealth or highly influenced by it, with Protestantism as their official religion for a long time now. And religion is, of course, inseparable part of social life. Later, in US in particular, Protestantism divided in many, many branches, but it's all still Protestantism and it is religion with most followers in US.
Though maybe together they would complement each other, three divisions of Christianity have these main differences - Roman Catholicism has gone too much in mysticism, Protestantism in rationalizing things and individualism and Orthodox Christianity often goes over the edge, to superstition.
Everything has a good side and a bad side, and this is just one bad consequence I pointed out.

[–] InherentlyYours 8 years ago

aw gawd..

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[–] InherentlyYours 8 years ago

It could and should, but religion as well, because those are all social spheres and matters that interlace and influence life. As one gets stronger, the other gets weaker and vice versa.
The countries I mentioned are/were part of British Commonwealth or highly influenced by it, with Protestantism as their official religion for a long time now. And religion is, of course, inseparable part of social life. Later, in US in particular, Protestantism divided in many, many branches, but it's all still Protestantism and it is religion with most followers in US.
Though maybe together they would complement each other, three divisions of Christianity have these main differences - Roman Catholicism has gone too much in mysticism, Protestantism in rationalizing things and individualism and Orthodox Christianity often goes over the edge, to superstition.
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WTF?

Nobody cares. It's not about random-thougts-in-a-sentence- religion rhetoric. What is the matter with people.

[–] KatrinaW 8 years ago

And, the 70's was the "me" decade, when former flower children were rebelling against gender roles, and going out to 'find' themselves. It has nothing to do with religion, amd everything to do with the decade, politics, and the emerging yuppie lifestyle.

[–] LukeLovesFilm28 8 years ago

I don't agree with this Protestant theory. But if this destruction of the family is limited to the 70s, explain the current gender war we're seeing.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

[–] KatrinaW 8 years ago

What gender war specifically? Not trolling, just curious as to whether you can expand that.