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Epitome of Shaw Bros' "Venoms" films


I'm biased to this movie on account of it was the firt "martial arts" film of any kind I ever saw. But for all the years of searching for the movie to beat it out, I gotta hold a torch for this one. People will say the costumes are cheesy, the choregraphy was stiff, that it's Hong Kong schlock, and lump it in with the crap that gets kung-fu-movie fans laughed at. But I contend that this film is at the top of the heap of what was to follow in the wake of Bruce Lee's death. The "kung-fu movie" became a staple money maker in Hong Kong through the '70s and '80s, and a certain flair the Shaw Bros studio perfected in that period remains superior to anything that has come along since.
Some absolute classics which approach toppling this king of the hill are obvious, I think:
Five Deadly Venoms
Shaolin Master Killer
Executioners of Shaolin
Five Fingers of Death
The modern era of Hong Kong has eclipsed the '70s and '80s beyond the years between- the attention to story and costume and on-screen talent, as well as set design and dubbing quality, has evidenced a totally and thoroughly modern approach to film-making. While so much drek was churned out over those "early years", the Shaw Bros managed to develop a style that set each of their films appart from the crowd- with laughable budgets (by Hollywood standards). You have to consider the era it comes from, with the cookie-cutter formula being the norm, and I think it stands to test against the other "Venoms" films. It has enough of everything which represents the Shaw Studio style that it epitomizes the very best of their output.
While the other films I listed are supreme classics, this one gets my vote for best all-around. Bruce Lee's films, however, are beyond the tag "kung-fu movie", and deserve to be considered above the bar.
I'm just making my case, "What's your style?"

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This Movie kicked butt. The Bad Guys were cool. Golden Arm and Silver Spear were the best. Agent Hai Tou the hero was the only good guy I liked. Another Shaw Brothers classic.

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I agree with you both. Five Venoms was... is still a true classic. As well as 36th Chamber of Shaolin (Gordon Liu doing his thing)and Five Fingers of Death (King Boxer). Five Fingers was great especially because Lo Lieh, who is my favorite old school villain was actually a hero in this one! A good guy. I must say though, I thought Executioners of Shaolin was great, I thought Fists of the White Lotus was slightly better (in my opinion). One of the reason being because of Lo Lieh's performance as the White Lotus chief.

The Kid with the Golden Arm is the Shaw Brothers at its best. Lo Meng as Golden Arms was a great move, since after Five Venoms, him and his "Toad" style almost made him seem invincible! But once again, it was Philip Kwok as the Drunken agent Hai To that stole the show.

"... agent Hai To. They say, his best friend is the wine..." Sun Chien

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I always liked Shaw Brothers kung-fu movies... they took a very simple premise and turned it into a fat bankroll: "Show them good solid kung-fu choreography, and let the plot and dialogue simply set it up."

Five Deadly Venoms and Kid with the Golden Arm were not the only two Shaw classics that brought together the six stars Chiang Sheng, Lu Feng, Wei Pai, Sun Chien, Kuo Chui/Philip Kwok and Lo Meng. Throughout all the movies they all did together, you really got to appreciate their actual real-life styles of kung-fu as portrayed in the movies. Sun Chien was obviously well-schooled in a kung-fu that strongly emphasizes kicking and footwork, when most Chinese martial arts tend to minimize them and rely on the arms and hands. For a Chinese actor, Sun Chien's style was most like a Korean style of karate in his broad arsenal of kicking techniques, as even a brief perusal of martial-arts encyclopedias and history will reveal. Lo Meng was far more traditional, using his arms and hands exclusively, and you could easily see he had the strongest and most well-developed musculature of all six actors; this being translated by Shaw Brothers into characters that were all but impervious to any kind of harm or injury-- how do you defeat an opponent who doesn't even feel your strongest blows? Finding his weakness was the key to beating him. Kuo Chui I have a strong notion was trained in one of the "drunken" styles of martial arts that emphasize complete unpredictability and randomness, and behaving and thinking as if intoxicated to help increase that unpredictability. You never knew what he'd throw at you next, meaning if your guard went down a second, you were finished. Wei Pai was very limber and flexible, well-suited for the roles of the Snake in 5DV, and swordsman Li in KWTGA.

The Shaw Brothers weren't out to produce quality FILM... they were out to entertain audiences who had caught kung-fu fever in the wake of Bruce Lee's death. I never thought Bruce Lee's best acting was anything to shake a stick at, but people didn't pay to see him ACT... they paid to watch him FIGHT. So it was with the actors in Shaw Brothers movies. Deliver top-notch kung-fu choreography and catchy "styles" of martial arts... everything else will fall into place.

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"The Shaw Brothers weren't out to produce quality FILM"

They set out to make money, pretty much. And they did have a few talented directors. There are films in the Shaw Bros. catologue which succeed on a dramatic level as well. The One-Armed Swordsman, for example, and several other 60s films.

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the original poster named all good films, but missed out on my personal favorite, return of the 5 deadly venoms aka crippled avengers.

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To my surprise I like crippled avengers a lot but I like all Venom Mob movies.

never underestimate the power of the mind

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YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THis is my FAVORITE shaw bros movie! it has the most complete story, that actually plays out fully. and the fight scenes! the best of that time era.

I don't know how others feel, but this is WAY superior to five deadly venoms. I can concede that 5 deadly venoms had the great title and premise to bring these particular guys into the legend of the shaw bros films, however, this was a much better film.

honestly, i don't see what people can make any more fun of in this movie than in any other shaw bros movie (?) . on the contrary, in comparison, this movie makes a lot more sense than most of the others featuring these five dudes.

"like I said, wine is my best friend"

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