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Winter Warlock/Father Winter/Snow Miser/Winterbolt?


Okay, so if all of those R/B Christmas specials share continuity, how does one reconcile all of these similar characters. I have a fairly complicated set-up.

1) King Winterbolt, being the previous ruler of the North Pole, was the father of Snow Miser and Heat Miser through Mother Nature. I haven't quite figured out how Heat Miser became the oddball of the family, but there you go.

2) The Winter Warlock was subordinate to Winterbolt. Perhaps he was the Snow Dragons' wrangler or something. After his master's defeat, he became a freelancing monstrosity until he encountered Kris Kringle.

3) Being truly repentant of his past, Winter was allowed by Mother Nature to take over the task of administering snow and ice. Since his power was greatly diminshed, he was given legions of Sprites to work for him. He was then given the title of Father Winter.

That's all I have to say about that. I know, I know, thinking too much.

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This is interesting... I like it. It's good to see how the different R/B characters might tie-in together.

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Good theory you've got, although I'm afraid it doesn't fit the timeline. "Jack Frost" seems to take place BEFORE Santa came around. "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town" introduces Santa. "Year Without a Santa Claus" seems to happen around the early 1900s, and "Rudolph and Frosty's Christmas in July" seems to be set in modern day. This means Father Winter was the first one around, so perhaps HE is the estranged father of the Miser brothers.

"2) The Winter Warlock was subordinate to Winterbolt. Perhaps he was the Snow Dragons' wrangler or something. After his master's defeat, he became a freelancing monstrosity until he encountered Kris Kringle."

But Winerbolt was defeated LONG AFTER Kris Kringle came about and established himself.


I don't believe these stories are meant to share too much continuity. Winterbolt seems to be a recreation of Winter Warlock, or he could be based on both Warlock and Father Winter. I have no idea.

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I would like to point out to you a quick line in "Jack Frost," "She's small enough to be one of Santa's elves!" That establishes Santa's existence and prominence prior to this special.

I was referring not to his ultimate defeat, but his thousand-year sleep at the hands of Lady Borealis.

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I noticed several elements to back up the idea that the Winter Warlock was somehow connected with King Winterbolt. Almost all involve the magic skills shared by the two characters.
1) Both characters use magic snowballs to view the activites of others.

2) Both characters have magic feed corn that allows animals to fly (albeit it is never stated that King Winterbolt had this himself, but I can't see any way he could have stolen it from Santa).

3) Both characters live in a large ice castle. It is noteworthy that the Winter Warlock is said to live alone in his ice castle. This would be during the 1000-year sleep of Winterbolt. If they were associated, I would not be surprised at all if the Winter Warlock was simply living as a hermit in the castle, with his former master lying comatose.

4) The Winter Warlock lived in the territory that had been under Winterbolt's dominion (this is evidenced by the fact that, after Winterbolt's magically-induced sleep begins, the Kringles come to settle in his land. This is later distinguished from their trek to the North Pole with Santa. Since the Winter Warlock lived just up the mountain from the Kringles, he also lived in that same land.)

That's about that. A few final thoughts: I will concede that Father Winter (formerly the Winter Warlock) is actually a more likely candidate for father of Snow Miser and Heat Miser (and, I suppose, the new character of the North Wind).

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They're stepbrothers is why/

You want that bad attitude drippin' out yer ears?

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Half-brothers, I thought?

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