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for all those asking stupid questions about the military crap it is obvious that you have had no contact with anyone who made a career in the military.
Especially at the time, this is exactly how things were for those of us who had fathers like this. The generation (called the greatest generation by some) who idolized santini and archie bunker should all be subjected to electroshock therapy at the least and execution at the worst.
these are the same people who *beep* this country over financially, lied to us constantly, and led us to the sorry state of our country today.
the only difference between santini and my father is that mine never NEVER EVER showed up to one of my games. His treatment of my mother and my siblings throughout the years led to 3 of 5 children running away from home, 4 out of 5 to become drug addicts, 3 of 5 divorces.
Our nation may need these psychopathic warriors to defend us, but they should not be allowed to reproduce.
this film was all too real for me...

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You ungrateful little piece of ... and yes, I DID grow up around these 'types'. Had they not volunteered to give their lives for their/our country, we would be ruled by psychopathic dictators. Yes they were greatly affected by their war experiences, so whats your point ? When they signed on the dotted line they were not unlike you or I at that age. Ever look close at their initial service photos My Dad looked like a baby - he was in fact, 17. Their experiences changed their lives, their personalities forever. Yes they signed on the dotted line, for their mothers and apple pie - that AIN'T no bull sh..
But no matter their intentions, they did it and this country is free today thanks to their sacrifices whether having lost their life or their mind. Someone had to do it.
That brusk and often phony attitude/appearance was usually a cover up. They saw and often did things that no kid should never have to do. Knowing that one has just dropped an incendiary bomb in the heart of the enemy's city has to be enough to drive any sane young man over the edge. Ever see your father wake up in the middle of the night screaming and fighting the air like his life depended on it ? I have. They were forever mentally changed and tortured. Your comment literally makes me physically ill. I'll stop here before I get myself arrested. Time to go calm down ...
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Ya know what ? After a walk around the house a couple of times I've cooled off and seen the error in my thinking. You were psychologically (as well as physically) abused also and no doubt could, if you haven't already, benefit from some form of counseling. Yours is also that of two generations (at the least) suffering the horrible effects of war.
As others have noted, they've met and served with many Marines who never behaved like this Colonel. I'm sure there are Marine combat vets who have seen and done a lot of the same things in combat (or had done to them), maybe worse, but they came back relatively sane acting.
Its possible that guys like your dad as well as Conroy had heredity issues or were abused themselves as kids, hard to say. None of it changes the bravery they demonstrated under fire and the enormous debt we owe to the men and women who answered the call.
Even back in the 60s there was nothing like the counseling available to today's kids.
We were told to "suck it up buttercup" and that 'others had it worse, what makes you so special ?" "Walk it off, what, you going to cry? (little girl) ?" Maybe they were so damaged that they should not have had kids. Maybe they worried privately that we would wind up in a fox hole some day so they wanted us to be able to handle it better than they did - they worked on 'toughening' us up. I remember at Boy Scout camp we were called 'girls' (as in 'alright girls, time to get up !) and talked to like we were in boot camp. These guys were indoctrinated, they were whipped into shape and taught to be as savage as the enemy they were about to face so as to save these kids lives. No hesitation pulling the trigger, no split second 2nd thoughts about 'Thou shall not kill" which they were taught in Sunday School etc. Then, after all the horror, they were returned home and expected to slide right back into polite society. Not every soldier experienced the same in terms of trauma, this could very account for the difference between those who returned home relatively unscathed by the experience and those who returned full tilt insane. Do you think you would have done better ? Maybe so, who knows. But its been my experience in life that some of the most vulnerable, weakest people can be the most dangerous.
I guess my point is that the entire 'Greatest Generation' shouldn't be judged by the psychotic (?) or tormented few who came back this abusive. Before and after the war and throughout history there have been mothers and/or fathers who physically and/or psychologically abused their children but never served in the military - its not just Marines, not just war veterans.

You seem to still harbor anger and resentment - have you tried counseling ? I have a short fuse myself but I did get the counseling I needed and its been helpful for the most part. I sound off here on the 'net but I would never put my hands on another person unless provoked and even at that I've learned to turn my back and walk away rather than get into it.

I could delete all of this and maybe I should. Then again maybe it will spark some useful conversation. I'll let it stand for now.

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OP used this excellent movie as an excuse to winge about his mean daddy and all the other mean men back in the old days.

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