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This is the biggest ego based craptasm since the Monkees' 'Head'


How did they manage to make the dialog sound dubbed when everyone spoke English?

This is a dumb and horrible movie. The acting is bad, the situations are stupid. The production values are nil.

I cannot believe that *beep* Carradine acquired the rights to this poo fest. Coburn and Lee have the excuse of having written this piece of shiat. He found it and called it good. He is clearly an idiot. Bad, bad movie.

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Wow, you're passionate

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Yeeee. THis is one of most terrible movies of history but just one of them. There are lots of them.......

Nothing is in right place. Bad actors. Just a bunch of beautiful girls can't save a movie at all. This crap is more or less like "Conan the Destroyer". Sooooo weak......

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I agree a lot of it is cheesetastic, but yet there is something compelling about it that keeps me watching till the end. I first saw it in around 1985 when it was on late night television. I couldn't decide then whether it was so bad it's good or if some of it is actually good. Just saw it again and I am leaning more towards the so bad it's good feeling, but either way it's entertaining. I didn't like Jeff Cooper. It seemed like some pretty bad miscasting, and now that I've read the back story I can see he wasn't the first choice.

What I really want to know is why Joe Louis refused to work with David Carradine. Also, why wouldn't James Coburn have still taken the role of Cord after David Carradine took over Bruce Lee's parts?

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Because all the real martial artists like Joe Lewis knew Carradine was a big phony and him and his buddy Cooper couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.

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Are YOU then, a paper bag?

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Anytime I start to feel stupid I can just look at this thread for some real stupidity, and immediately I feel better.

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The movie doesn't take itself seriously, but these people think its supposed to. I mean Tuco (good bad & ugly) dissolving his nabo in oil in the middle of nowhere, and they expect it has some greater meaning?

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I think the fact that it's terrible makes it so good. I just found this movie on cable this month and I've watched it twice. And I normally hate action or kung fu movies. But this one is so weird and ridiculous it's entertaining.

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Now it says in the trivia section that the lead role of Cord was supposed to be given to Steve McQueen but he turned it down after having remarked "that he was not prepared to make Lee a star" Wow! That seems very vindictive on Steve's part unless I mislead myself about the meaning of that quote. Was there friction or animosity between Bruce Lee and Steve McQueen? If there was I never knew it, but then again why that quote? Unless like I said maybe I took it out of context. Anyone else have any ideas about this?

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Hmm don't think there was static between them as Bruce Lee trained him for a while and McQueen was also a pall bearer at Lee's funeral.

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"I think the fact that it's terrible makes it so good. I just found this movie on cable this month and I've watched it twice. And I normally hate action or kung fu movies. But this one is so weird and ridiculous it's entertaining."

That, my friend, is a good definition of what makes a cult classic!

The first four to five minutes that I saw of this I didn't get a good look at Cord's face. I thought it was William Katt playing him, which for some reason made me laugh.

The gene pool could use a little chlorine......

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Jeff Cooper is easier to tolerate once you realize he's either getting his butt kicked, or being insulted by Carridine, in almost every scene.

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Agreed. The visuals are outrageously cool (e.g, the guy soaking in the giant pot of oil in the middle of the desert - what other movie has that?), and "One is taught in accordance with his fitness to learn" is one of the greatest quotes of all time.

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Bad acting, not great Martial Arts as well. Yet the spirit and message of the film more then makes up for it's shortcomings. I found this movie entertaining and I felt that the over all story had it been given a larger budget and better martial artists would have been fantasic.

It's like impressionist paintings. You take what you see from them. Many who just want the same old main stream paintings and cannot interrupt a greater understanding of them, feel to see the true beauty. Same as this movie.

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Amen! Yes the movie isn't the best and certainly didn't have much of a budget but cmooon,this movie speaks to you.I look at life like Cord does and look at my shortcomings or failures as 'tests' like Cord had.Somwhere theres a flute being played that only I can hear and then my problesm become trivial.

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For a Kung Fu movie, this has some of the absolute WORST fighting scenes in the history of Kung Fu movies! Not only is there a complete lack of Asian fighters and actors, (in a Buddhist/Asian philosophy story line) but Cord, the supposed bad a** looks like my 2 year old son trying to do kicks and punches. Other than having great abs (and chicken legs), Jeff Cooper should never be allowed to perform karate, period. David Carradine as Chang-Sha is almost as bad as John Wayne as Genghis Khan.

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Bruce Lee couldn't stand that McQueen rubbed his face in his fame....he deeply wanted to be respected in the West as McQueen.

To mock Lee McQueen once sent him signed poster....Bruce used the poster to went his anger on , kicking & hitting it...lol ;)

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Lee had it coming. As great as his physical presence was, every time he opened his mouth he was horrible. He had no "range" whatsoever. If he had lived, maybe he would have developed some talent. Or he might have become an overweight has-been making horrible direct-to-VHS films in the mid-80s.

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The thread title is the biggest ego based craptasm since, well, the first monkey fell out of the tree.

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This film is wonderful...Carradine proved that westerners can make good martial arts movies... His Kung Fu series was superb too. This is a stone cold cult classic!

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