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A real sicko take on ectopic pregnancy


No, I'm not critisizing director John Cronenberg. It's just that whenever I think of, THE BROOD, my mind makes a connection to to a medical malady I read about on the Internet, ectopic pregnancies. That's when somehow, by some freak accident, an ovum develops outside the human placenta. The developing fetus will attempt to survive as a parasite, latching its blood vessels onto the abominal wall or intestine, or somewhere close by. But without the mother's placenta to protect the fetus, antibodies latch onto the fetus and kill it, but these same antibodies keep coating the dead fetus in order to protect the human mother and there originates, the 'stone baby', a calcified fetus that exists inside such a woman for decades. Now, THE BROOD is not about that, but the lady in the sci-fi horror movie gives birth to humanoid monstrosities by developing an external placenta. The resulting humanoid monsters are short-lived since they live as long as their yolk-like energy sack behind their necks remains full but once depleted, they die as they cannot consume food. Those were very nasty critters. They were stronger than their human child counterparts and because they were driven by rage, their strength seemed even stronger. When the unfortunate doctor decided to enter the bunkhouse full of the humanoid monster kids, armed with only a six-shot revolver, we all knew he was going to die, terribly. P.S., I wonder how he got ahold of a pistol since pistols are illegal in Canada. Till this day, I'm still ambivalent about THE BROOD, not sure if I like it or not. Compared to ExistenZ, Cronenberg's best movie in my opinion, I like that one, hands down.

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The last minute explanation for the children really let me down and i think i like the idea you have a lot better. Science as opposed to that psychotherapy mumbo jumbo they pulled throughout the movie. personally, i didn't think the brood was effective or important. But it is an old film. I am sure it was experimental and exciting at the time.

In regards to ExistenZ, i always wonder why it's hated so much. I enjoy that film for it's quirks, odd style, and the way it plays with the mind of those watching.

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eXistenZ is currently the only Cronenberg movie (out of all the ones I've seen) that I genuinely dislike.
I love Videodrome, Scanners, The Fly, and The Brood.
I liked Shivers, The Dead Zone, Naked Lunch and Cosmopolis.

But all those movies have something to latch on to.
eXistenZ felt recycled from The Matrix and Total Recall.
It's constant jerking back and forth of the viewer was tiresome.
With Total Recall and The Matrix you had a binary option- what's being presented to me is real, or it is not. With eXistenZ it was a constant back and forth. Are we in the game? Or not? SURPRISE, we're still in the game! What about now? Nope. YEP. Nope. YEP. WHAT ABOUT NOW? Nope. Yep. Yep. Nope.

It was just exhausting. Not thought provoking or engaging, just... annoying.
By all rights, it should be a movie I love. I freakin' adore the cast, the director, the subject material, but the way the story unfolds is just... not for me. Let's just say that.

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It freaked me out, but it never made me think of ectopic pregnancy and I have had one. With ectopic pregnancies the fetus is still inside the body. They are also called tubal pregnancies because while the fetus does attach outside the uterus it is, except in very rare cases, still inside the Fallopian tubes. 'Stone babies' were rare to begin with and now even more so. Even with an ectopic pregnancy, the hormones produced by pregnancy are still present and detectable. If there is no fetus present in the uterus and no miscarriage, most doctors immediately check for ectopic pregnancy because if the fetus is allowed to grow large enough to rupture the Fallopian tubes it can cause extreme illness, infection, sterility, and possibly death for the mother. These days pregnancy can be detected much earlier than in the past, so ectopics are usually found out before they are advanced enough to cause permanent damage. Many, possibly most, are ended by natural miscarriage but if they are not termination is the only option. I suppose one day some doctor will find a way to successfully transplant an ectopic fetus from the Fallopian tubes to the uterus, but probably not in our lifetimes.

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Hey OP it's David Cronenberg for the record,

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jeffyoung1 wrote:

Till this day, I'm still ambivalent about THE BROOD, not sure if I like it or not. Compared to ExistenZ, Cronenberg's best movie in my opinion, I like that one, hands down.


eXistenZ is one of my favorite movies, and I find a lot to like in The Fly and in The Dead Zone, too.

I'm less enthusiastic, though intrigued, by Scanners and Videodrome.

But The Brood---despite genuinely impressive performances by Oliver Reed and Samantha Eggar---just strikes me as cheap revenge against a hated ex-wife. There's this 'women are the source of all evil' vibe to the movie that seems a bit too fundamentalist for my tastes.

(For the fans: yes, I realize that Cronenberg is not a religious fundamentalist. But nevertheless, that's the way the movie's viewpoint comes across.)

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You can read it that way (and a lot of people have) but it's more about the marks that are left by our childhoods, especially by parents, and especially in children of divorce. Lola's rage is fueled by what her parents did to her and their divorce, and Candy's welts at the end are symbolic of the scars that divorce leaves on a child. The energy was definitely inspired by the feelings that David went through - but they are very relateable.

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No, I'm not criticizing director John Cronenberg

You already lost me.

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The Brood and Ectopic Pregnancies are two very different things.

Firstly an Ectopic pregnancy is a normal fetus created from egg and sperm that implants itself in the Fallopian tubes rather than the uterus.

The Brood are akin to clones - developed asexually by 'budding' off the mother's skin. The DNA and Chromosomal count would be exactly the same as the Nora.




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