Goofs


I obtained a copy of this film, but some scenes appear to be missing. I know its a biopic, but there were a lot of factual errors. You would think they would get some things right since Pete Best was a consultant. As well read Beatle historian, let's look at some of the inconsistancies:

1) In Hamburg they are playing "I Saw Her Standing There", "Don't Bother Me", "Ask Me Why", "P.S. I Love You", great music, but were originals that weren't written until later. They did perform "Johnny B. Goode" and "Roll Over Beethoven" as well as "Love Me Tender" sung by Stu which are from this era.

2) Depicting Dick (guitar groups are on their way out) Rowe from Decca rejecting the Beatles and George Martin of Parlophone in the same office was daft.

3) Brian tells the Beatles that Decca turned them down while they were still in the studio which in reality they didn't find out until weeks later.

4) George sang the third harmony while Paul sang the fifth and the seventh in Twist and Shout. They are reversed in the film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um-fBenit9g&mode=related&search=

5) The first song the Beatles played on Ed Sullivan was "All My Loving", not "I Want to Hold Your Hand". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpOoSRj49ew

6) Brian Epstein informed the Beatles that Parlophone set a recording date by sending them a telegram; as they were in Hamburg, not in person as depicted.

7) They did not perform "Long Tall Sally" at the Decca audition, nor did they do "Love Me Do" or "Rock and Roll Music" which is being listened to by Brian and the record executive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decca_audition

8)The Beatles were not yet into leather gear prior to going to Hamburg, nor when they took part in the Larry Parnes audition. Photographs from this audition show them in slacks and black button up shirts with white top shoes.
http://dmbeatles.com/pictures/small/0609.jpg

9) Larry Parnes did not get them the gig in Hamburg. Their first manager Allan Williams was the one who arranged this.

10) Paul is depicted as supportive of Stuart which he was not. He thought of him as definitely a "weak link" in the band.

11) John played his famous black Rickenbocker guitar during the Ed Sullivan appearance in lieu of the sunbirst version as depicted in the film.

12) Rory Storm and the Hurricanes did not audition for Larry Parnes. Rory didn't want his band to back up another artist. He did show up though; to get his picture taken with Billy Fury.

13) The candle setting the Bambi Kino on fire was a funny rewrite of history. It was actually a condom that Paul and Pete had nailed to the wall and set alight that got them into trouble.

14) Cynthia did not inform John of her pregnancy the night Ringo first performed with them at the Cavern. In reality, they had already gotten married the day before this performance.

15) The first meeting with George Martin and the "For a start, I don't like your tie" comment by George was when Pete was still in the group, and also Ringo didn't play drums at the first recording session. Martin had brought in session drummer Andy White to record "Love Me Do" and "P.S. I Love You".

16) Cynthia didn't wear an orange outfit for the trip to America. Photos show her in a black 60's style mini dress with a white cap.

17) Timeline error: Stuart died in April of '62. This is after they had already met Brian Epstein and auditioned for Decca.

18) The statement "America has everything, what do they need with the Beatles?" was made by George in the plane on the way, not Paul as depicted.

19) It's funny how John tells the drummer at the audition (Johnny Hutch) "Dizzy Miss Lizzy in E". A drummer doesn't need to know what key the song is in.

20) For Stuart being a poor to non-existant bass player, the bass playing in the Hamburg and early Liverpool scenes with Stuart are superb. Obviously this is because of the group "Rain" performing the soundtrack.

21) In reality, the Indra club is a tiny club, unlike that depicted in the film. http://www.tuscionet.com/Beatles/Luoghi/indrainside.jpg

22) The Beatles were informed of Stuart's death at the airport upon their arrival. George was not there as he was ill. He flew in with Brian the next day.

23) John states after Stuart's death that his mother Julia died when he was 14. She actually died on July 15th, 1958 when he was 17.

24) Alastair Taylor (who eventually became General Manager of Apple) did not abandon Brian Epstein at the Cavern when they first went to see the Beatles perform as depicted in the film.

Sorry for all the historic nitpicking, I love the Beatles and like this film; it is still a very enjoyable film for Beatle fans.

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Thanks Todd, not nitpicking at all... there were so many glaring errors that, for those who know the actual history, this film is painful to watch. Gee, you'd have at least thought that they'd get the instruments right!!! And even when they DID get them correct they were placed in the wrong timeframe - George playing his Gretch Tennessean at the CAVERN? Gimme a break.
Another few glaring errors were:
* Arriving in NYC in their collarless suits.
* Ringo being interviewed walking around the airport using lines actually said by John and the others.
* Ringo winning over the Cavern crowd with a slowly increasing snare drum beat. Cummon, please.
* Alistair Taylor leaving Brian alone at the Cavern. (he didn't)
* Complete elimination of Alan Williams from the story.
* John's SILVER cowboy boots in Hamburg? ... gee, just look a the old pix!
* Pete saying that "nobody asked me" when questioned about his hair? in fact he'd been urged to change but had refused.
* The police nabbing George BEFORE the fire incident? Nope.
* There were actually 5 Beatles at the famous Litherland Town Hall gig after their return from the first Hamburg trip. Chas Newby was on bass.
* Billy Graham's negative comments PRIOR to the group's arrival in America.

There are so many more.... its just insane when you think about it. Its almost like the writers were TRYING to see how many inaccuracies they could fit into the flick while still maintaining that psuedo-documentary feel.

Oh, and did I mention that they managed to completely screw up the ONE IMPORTANT THING that they should have gotten right? .... that they could have so EASILY gotten right? Some of the guitar models in the film were not even MADE at that point in time. Ugh. Painful.

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Erm, while we're picking nits - don't you mean Dick ROWE at Decca, not Dick Lester, their director for the first two movies plus How I Won The War?

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You're right, good catch.

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Hi,

Since you own the movie. Can you please tell me if there is a scene where one of the beatles is painting a nude model in art class?


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Yes John Lennon paints Claire Davenport.

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Thank you, I was hoping that it was the movie.


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Its a film, Why let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good story as the say in Hollywood.

Poor Pete Best he was forever pointing out mistakes but no one seemed to listen to him. He did try very hard to make sure everything was correct. It was made in such a hurry which is why there was the normal attention to detail.

Until the release of the BBC Beatles recordings this was probably the only time he made any real money from his involvement with the group.

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Goofs are fun to point out, dont be a wetblanket!

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I've been watching this on youtube.com. Yes, there are as many factual errors here as there are stars in the sky! However, I believe it's an entertaining little movie nonetheless because of the scenery and, most importantly, the performances. The actor Beatles capture the real Beatles' personalities, and the rest of the cast also acts well. To somebody who hasn't seen this film I would say "Enjoy it as pure entertainment in the same way that war movies romanticize the real thing."

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Good points but;

19) It's funny how John tells the drummer at the audition (Johnny Hutch) "Dizzy Miss Lizzy in E". A drummer doesn't need to know what key the song is in.

I think john is being sarky that's all....

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Great job on the goofs--I saw this on TV when it came out (November 1979, the day after Thanksgiving), was excited about it. After seeing it on YouTube (thanks to whoever posted it, by the way), I noticed a few more things:

1. Paul's Hofner bass was a right-handed model (unless I'm thinking of the one used in "BackBeat")

2. The Ed Sullivan Show set didn't feature the eleven arrows pointing to the stage (Rain uses an exact replica of this set--they did a good job on the music, though the vocals were a bit high-pitched).

3. Some of the extras (particularly the women) had modern hairstyles--the scene where the Fabs are watching TV, listening to the news report, then in the Ed Sullivan Show audience. Some have modern fashions as well. This also happened in later seasons of "Happy Days" and "Laverne and Shirley". Some reporters at Kennedy Airport also had modern dress and hairstyles.

4. When the Fabs were taken to the press room at the airport, the back wall was plain--in reality, it had a Pan Am motif with some art design logo. Also, they were standing behind microhpones. For the question about Beethoven, Ringo replied "I love him, especially his poems." Not lyrics, as John said in the movie.

Wonder why the producers of this movie didn't bother to do better research, to ensure historical accuracy and within the correct time periods? This has happened in other biopics, like "BackBeat", "La Bamba", "The Jacksons: An American Dream" and "What's Love Got to Do With It". Even so, these are entertaining to watch, especially for those who experienced it the first time around and the later generations. Hopefully, future biopics will be more historically accurate--no offense to the producers, directors, cast, etc. of those mentioned above or other earlier ones.

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"Take Me Home; The John Denver Story" is riddled with errors and anachronisms, as is "The David Cassidy Story" but as you point out, they're still enjoyable to watch.

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