Incest?


This may be a really dumb question but are we supposed to infer that Ray Milland's character has something of a sexual relationship with his daughter? In the early scene where he insists she massage him he's moaning in (sexual?) ecstasy and has a particularly disgusting leer on his face. They then cut to Carrie Snodgress with an understandably distressed expression of her own.

I could interpret it as just his evil, controlling behavior insisting she massage him to exert his power over her and that there's no sexual aspect to it. But the more I watch the movie the more I fill in the blanks and think that maybe the reason he didn't want her to have a boyfriend/husband/chimp/whatever was so he could continue the sexual relationship he'd always had with her. I may be reading too much into it, but I just wondered if anyone else had thought about that interpretation.

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You've made a really good point. I never really thought of the relationship between Louise and her father as incestuous. My interpretation was he was merely a psychotic control freak who only wanted to make his daughter feel imprisoned in his house. I do agree that your analysis could play into the holes in the film. We don't really see how their relationship was in the past, nor is it explained to us. I have read studies about this type of behavior of fathers sexually abusing their daughters and how they want them all to themselves. When you think about it, there probably could have been a history of incest between Louise and her father. It would have been a good way to explain his behavior toward her in more detail, thus making it better for the audience to clarify their relationship. That would've been one of the many ways in order to make this film much better.

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Yeah I don't think there was incest involved, he was just a sick control freak.


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Unfortunately, it makes sense. It could be that way. When Wendell's wife dies, perhaps he takes his own daughter as a wife/daughter or something like that. The scene you're mentioning, gave me the exact same impression when I saw it for the first time and I was actually expecting to see more of that. Not because it was enjoyable, but because I thought they would go deeper into the subject. Since they didn't, I dropped that theory right away, but it does make sense after all. It is quite disgusting.

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These things do happen in real life; I had a woman minister who was raped by her father -- an ultra religious fundementalist piece of human waste.

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OF COURSE IT IS INCEST!!!!!! Like the first writer said it is obvious when Ray Milland is moaning and has that disgusting leer on his face!! Classic Ray! How much was he making for this stuff?? You gotta have respect for these guys!

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Understandable thoughts but, I just considered him, a control freak.

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I'm glad it was left ambiguous, like how there are hints of possible sexual abuse in Black Swan, but nothing is definite. While horrible incest situations exist, there are also many relationships where there is control and mental abuse with no sexual abuse present, so the way this is portrayed it could be either/or, which I think is a strength; this way it covers both kinds of abusive parent/child relationships, making it more universal. If they blatantly portray something like that, it actually puts a safe barrier between the characters and those of us in the audience who fortunately have not been involved in sexually abusive relationships. By not definitely saying there was no sexual abuse present, there are those who have been a victim who will not feel alienated by the portrayal.

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