Roots is NOT real!!!


THE CELEBRATED 'ROOTS' OF A LIE


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January 16, 2002 -- ON Friday, NBC will air a special commemorating the 25th anniversary of the landmark miniseries based on Alex Haley's book "Roots." Ironically, the original series aired on ABC - but officials at that network took a pass on broadcasting the tribute.

What's truly amazing, however, is that "Roots" is receiving a reverential tribute at all. For while the miniseries was a remarkable - and important - piece of television,
the book on which it was based has now been widely exposed as a historical
hoax.

Unfortunately, the general public is largely unaware of how Haley's monumental family autobiography, stretching back to 18th-century Africa, has been discredited.

Indeed, a 1997 BBC documentary expose of Haley's work has been banned by U.S. television networks - especially PBS, which would normally welcome such a program.

Coincidentally, the "Roots" anniversary comes amid the growing scandal over disclosures of historian Stephen Ambrose's multiple incidents of plagiarism. Because as Haley himself was forced to acknowledge, a large section of his book -
including the plot, main character and scores of whole passages - was
lifted from "The African," a 1967 novel by white author Hal Courlander.

But plagiarism is the least of the problems in "Roots." And they would likely have remained largely unknown, had journalist Philip Nobile not undertaken a remarkable study of Haley's private papers shortly before they were auctioned off.

The result was featured in a devastating 1993 cover piece in the Village Voice. It confirmed - from Haley's own notes - earlier claims that the alleged history of the book was a near-total invention.

"Virtually every genealogical claim in Haley's story was false," Nobile has written. None of Haley's early writing contains any reference to his mythic ancestor, "the African" named Kunta Kinte. Indeed, Haley's later notes give his family name
as "Kante," not "Kinte."

And a long-suppressed tape of the famous session in which Haley " found" Kunta Kinte through the recitation of an African "griot" proves that, as BBC producer James Kent noted, "the villagers [were] threatened by members of Haley's party.
These turn out to be senior government officials desperate to ensure that things go
smoothly."

Haley, added Kent, "specifically asks for a story that will fit
his predetermined American narrative."

Historical experts who checked Haley's genealogical research discovered that, as one put it, "Haley got everything wrong in his pre-Civil War lineage and none of his
plantation ancestors existed; 182 pages have no basis in fact."

Given this damning evidence, you'd think Haley's halo would long ago have vanished. But - given this week's TV tribute - he remains a literary icon. Publicly, at least.

The judge who presided over Haley's plagiarism case admitted that "I did not want to destroy him" and so allowed him to settle quietly - even though, he acknowledged, Haley had repeatedly perjured himself in court.

The Pulitzer Prize board has refused to reconsider Haley's prize, awarded in 1977 - in what former Columbia President William McGill, then a board member, has acknowledged was an example of "inverse racism" by a bunch of white liberals
"embarrassed by our makeup."

Yet the uniqueness of "Roots" is that it was presented as factual history, albeit with fictional embellishments. Haley himself stressed that the details came from his family's oral history and had been corroborated by outside documents.

But Professor Henry Louis Gates of Harvard, a Haley friend, concedes that it's time to "speak candidly," adding that "most of us feel it's highly unlikely that Alex actually found the village from whence his ancestors came.


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People need to stop asking silly questions about "What happened to these people?" (see message boards) and know the truth. As Haley said it's "Faction" whatever the hell that means. I am a disappointed AA and feel I've been lied to. It's still a great piece of history, don't get me wrong; however, we need to empower one another and stop allowing everyone too look at it as the Holy Grail of the past believed to be the truth.
Hence - my point.

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Call me Red if you will, no biggie. I was upset when I found out too.
Let me know how the Warner's and the Palmer's are doing down there in Henning when you find out!

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TLO exactly.
Heck i don't really care.I know where i am from/where i came from,all the back from mi great grandparents,and before that,love it! Research is awesome!
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Faction mean"some fiction in it for more dramatic scenes in a movie,i hear.etc."but alot of it,as ALEX HALEY son William adage,"i know my father did his homework on much of it,and much of this is true,involving their very own strong ancestors.some who made it out,some who did not,RIP to all of them.

I have it on again today,and will keep enjoying the lovely IRENE CARA,playing alex mom, and the talented Dorian Harewood,who play alex father,i love ROOTS SO MUCH will watch until i am old and gray.

adios



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Love ROOTS(the next generation,starring Irene Cara,Dorian Harewood.
What a nice beautiful pair,in this movie.
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TV Classic Shows...

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...and? It's a great film. Get over it.

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...no doubt oleskoolgyrl...I agree wholeheartedly!

But according to your post - you fell into the ignorant trap as many of us did:

"How remarkable it must feel to come full circle like that. Many of us have no idea where we come from and this far down the generations, when all of our family griots have died, there's no way to do it. Kunta Kinte knew that one day his American family would be free and that they would have the opportunity to meet the African part of the family.

He planted that seed when he shared everything he could remember with his daughter, Kizzy. Luckily, Cousin Georgia was still alive by the time Alex cared enough to ask questions for further clarification!-oleskoolgyrll1970"

Please know now that it is not real and I mean that with no disrespect to you for you did not know any better.
Read on:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/alex.htm

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C'mon...you get over it in a day or two like I did. Haley was a liar plain and simple.
Find out your own Roots and don't let his be your guide because evidentially he stole his.

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Some of his ancestors did - not all. I wonder why they all didn't make an appearance in TNG. I guess bc they are NOT real! What you are going through is the Five Stages of Grief. Right now you're in denial and anger. You'll be fine.

I can trace my roots back to 1890. I guess not all of us are fortunate to know who their ancestoral slaves are like Mr. Haley did. Oops...nevermind.

No need to carry the discussion on. Once again, he lied. At least you won't be embarrased now when you start talking about Roots as if it were real and someone tell you the truth face-to-face.

Great miniseries though - no denying that!

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tlo23, what you don't seem to understand is that as African-Americans, many of us are looking for that happy ending. We were stolen/sold and brought/sent to American. For years, we couldn't really picture what had happened during the Middle Passage and in the subsequent years prior to those that could be documented by photograph.

As an educated African-American woman (2 degrees, working on the third), I've read about what you've stated many times in the past. I did not fall into any trap of ingnorance. I just don't care to participate as the haters attempt to discredit this remarkable man. This is a masterpiece in its entirety. I enjoy watching this whole history, my history, unfold from the beginning and coming full circle back to the Mother Land. It doesn't matter that much of what he documented may not be factual in nature. It was well done and Alex Haley should be commended for that.

That is all. Thanks for your comments, though.

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Thanks, ta1064. I could watch both movies over and over again. My little boys enjoyed them, as well.

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Exactly! I was right in front of the tv while my huband TIVO'd it on another tv to watch the next day since he works so early.

Sorry for being an a$$, it was just burning me up to know that majority of this did not happen in this way. I had to voice my opinion not thinking of others feelings. I respect both of your opinions and thank you for responding to the post.

"time to go forward" ~ W.E. Palmer




peace/i'm done

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Who cares? Is that the worst thing that you can come up with to discredit the importance of this movie? Not that the movie is pointless or boring but that it was stolen? Who cares if the story was plagiarized, except for the person who it was copied or stolen from and he received compensation decades ago. Also, FYI, Haley was never accused of plagiarizing the entire saga. He was only accused of copyright infringement concerning the early life of the Kunta Kinta character, which is only a small portion of the story. However, suppose the complete story was copied from someone else? Does that make the story any less powerful? It still doesn't take away from the fact that Roots is informative, compelling, ground breaking and thought provoking. As viewers, that's usually enough for us to enjoy and consider the movie as a classic, except the movies, who's subject is based around black people's experiences in America's history. That's the only time the writers and producers come into question. That's when everything is gone over with a fine tooth comb and suddenly proof and verification of everyone's credentials are needed. Even the receipt for the paper that they printed the original transcript on is put under a microscope and examined. SMDH

Whether this is Alex Haley's true family saga, is not the point. Whether there was ever a real Kunta Kinte doesn't really matter either. The point is Kunta Kinte represents a young African man that was taken away from his family and shipped across the world against his free will. I think that it has been established that many people, men, woman and children, were kidnapped from Africa and brought here to work against their own free will. I think that it is also common knowledge that the Middle Passage actually existed and that it was torturous to say the least. It was a horrible, foul smelling, filthy, sweatbox, with men, women, children and rats stacked together like sardines for hours at a time. They weren't given much to eat and they barely got a chance to see the son. They were raped, tortured, malnourished and diseased but the ones who showed any sign of being sick or effected by these conditions and treatments were thrown overboard with shackles on their feet. It's also well known that slaves were beaten and tortured when they tried to run away, which included, maybe losing a limb, an ear, their tongue and even an eye. None of this has been disputed. My point is that you can argue against this stories authenticity. That's actually very small in the whole scheme of things. You can argue against whether Kunta Kinte really existed but can you argue against the fact that slavery really existed or argue against the existence of the millions of Africans that the character Kunta Kinte represents?

Bottom line, just enjoy the movie and if you can't then let those of us who do, continue to do so.

I woke up this way...

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I feel you! I'm working on my third graduate degree as we speak and my husband went to an HBCU and we didn't know at all. We are devastated to hear this after watching an excellent portrayal of what we thought was the truth for so many years this past week. I'm glad you heard of this before and don't think I am making this up. I just would have been very hurt if I were beaming about the ending while in a social setting and people think I'm crazy for believing the farce and I not let other people know about it too. Just trying to let people know the deal, but if it's hating - I don't mean for it to be. I'm just speaking the truth as Dr. Gates eventually conceded as well about the true history of Roots.
Everyone on the other side of the world knows this except American's and they laugh at us for being ignorant for many things. It's time for them to stop laughing.
Once again, I will continue to say it was a great miniseries.

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I heard all these things on the Roots board also and while I believe he must have plagerized some of his book or he wouldn't have settled out of court, some of his family history must be true. For crying out loud, my great-great grandmother didn't die until I was like 7. How could he not know who his great-great grandparents were? And that they were slaves who lived on a plantation. Cynthia was his grandmother and she was born a slave.

This all really doesn't make a lot of sense to me. How did he get his pre-civil war lineage all wrong?

"Historical experts who checked Haley's genealogical research discovered that, as one put it, "Haley got everything wrong in his pre-Civil War lineage and none of his
plantation ancestors existed; 182 pages have no basis in fact."


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Wether it's a real story or fake, it needed to be seen/told/heard/read. I was able to get my 15 yr. old daughter to watch Roots and almost finished TNG-3 episodes to go-but she can't finish it. She gets so mad-we're a white family in case anyone is wondering-and embarrassed. I told her that's the way it was back then and it's important we learn from the stupid hicks and not repeat it again.

WWDSD?
What Would Dwight Schrute Do?

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From what I have researched and read, I thought everything (lineage) was acurate up to Kizzy. Everything prior to Kizzy cannot be verified. I am not certain but I thought that the main issue in question was Kunte Kinte and the african connection.

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He did visit Africa.

It is his research that is in question. There was a "Toby" that belonged to the Waller/Reynolds plantation. But apparently he had already been in the states 12 years before the "Lord Liggoner" sailed. Also this "Toby" died eight years prior to Kizzy's birth.



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haley did say his works were "faction", a mixture of fact with a little fiction added to keep readers interested.

i know kunta and his ancestors before that may be questionable, but kizzy was chicken george's mother and tom's grandmother. also, some of tom's kids were school aged before kizzy died so we know she existed. but in the same context, if tom's kids were raised with their great grandma living with them, of course she would've told them about her dad "the african".

in haley's 30th anniversary of the book "roots", he has actual photos of chicken george, tom & irene, cynthia & will, simon & bertha as well as elizabeth, cousin georgia and many others. so we know they all existed.

tom was grown with kids of his own when kizzy died, and we know, according to the book that kizzy was the only one in the klan that actually knew kunta. chicken george or any other off-springs never met the man. everyone went on kizzy's word about her mom and dad, belle and kunta. should we believe kizzy was telling the truth about her lineage? or was she just a major storyteller?

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Possibly. Either she (Kizzy) lied or was lied to.

The story shows slave families pretty much in tact. However, the family unit for slaves was not always that perfect. Sometimes slaves were bought and sold over and over again. Sometimes children were sold off and may not have memory or knowledge of their parents or true parentage.

I imagine being able to know where you came from was something of a privilege during slave times.

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What about when Alex made the mecca to Africa and met up with the decedents of the Kinte family? Even if it wasn't his 4th great grandfather wasn't there still a Kunta Kinte that got captured around that time, or was he just a character that was used in the book "The African"
It is sad to hear that the whole story really isn't true, but still, it is the best mini series I ever saw from when it first came out and until this day.

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Alex Haley may have tweaked a few things here and there, but the fact remains that slavery WAS real. It DID exist.

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i can not believe this person is banishing a man that wanted the world to know what happened to his family and you just say like he is fake. The man worked so hard finding each person he thought it would be good to tell this story i have the movie and i am not saying anything bad about them I'm a white Italian male and i do not mind being around black people or black women. Point is if you have nothing nice to say about Alex or his work read books or watch TV.

Justin

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The original post in this thread is to an article on martinlutherking.org. It clearly states on that page that it is hosted by Stormfront which is one of the most well known and largest white nationalist/white supremaicst/ neo Nazi internet forums. That page is full of articles and posts that tries to discredit black people in general and MLK specifically. I do not deny that Alex made up or borrowed some parts of this story, and I am not defending him for doing that.

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Nobody denied that. I wish some of you people would take the time to actually read the OP you respond to.

And I'm also sick of this "Blacker Than Thou Art" crap from people who say "if you question this or fact check that, you're an Uncle Tom who would have snitched on the plantation." People like that are despicable and intellectually lazy.

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Well Haley wasnt born when a lot of the stuff went on see he couldn't have known ever single detail but most of it was true.

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it's a movie relax.

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