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Why was Glenda the good witch the only White Woman in the movie


Why was she the only one?

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She wasn't? How?

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uh that's partially right .. she was partially black, indian and white .. she was mixed .. and she looks a lot 'whiter' than she does black in a lot of pictures I see of her

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Lena Horne was "Black Enough" to be unable to get accomodations at many of the segregated hotels in whose lounges and showrooms she performed.

She was "Black Enough" to offend southern film board censors who routinely excised her musical numbers from the early MGM films. (Too glamorous...not playing a subserviant...not a comic buffoon.)

She was "Black Enough" to be deemed uncastable as mulatto characters in such films as "Show Boat" and "Pinky" because she would have had to share kisses with White actors, and depicting miscegenation on screen was a Production Code violation.

The result was that Ava Gardner and Jeanne Crain (respectively), both White, ended up playing light-skinned/mixed raced Black women.

This represented the ultimate absurdity of those times: A light-skinned Black woman was not allowed to play a light-skinned Black woman. Why? Because she WAS a light-skinned Black woman.

I'd say that all that (and much more) made Lena Horne "Black Enough" for a cameo in "The Wiz."

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Well said Denbeez, well said.

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Denbeez: I't sad to hear how things were back then. How ridiculous it sounds today, that a biracial actress couldn't even play a biracial character, because black women weren't allowed to kiss white men on the big screen! And when Lena Horne was young, she hardly even looked black! Not to mention how discriminated she seems to have been otherwise as well.

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WELL SAID DENBEEZ!! I thought I get in on that.

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Umm....The plots of both "Show Boat" and "Pinky" involve light-skinned Black women "passing" for White. Making the male love interests Black would have negated the stories entirely.

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No, I understand entirely what you're trying to say, but you seem to lack historical perspective on this subject.

If race relations in the '40s and '50s had been so advanced that light-skinned Black actors had been allowed to play White characters in major motion pictures like "Show Boat" and "Pinky," not only wouldn't it have mattered who played the female roles (Lena Horne or otherwise), but the films themselves, which are largely about the folly of racism, probably would not have been made at all.

Besides, casting a Black actor to play a White character at that time would have caused even more of an uproar than showing Lena Horne kissing a White man.

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I am rolling over laughing right now.

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Why didn't they do this? Why didn't they do that? Because it was over a half a century ago and it was a different world then, that's why! Why are people wasting energy on something that is over and done with? You can't change it. Why not put your energies into the things that bind us a human beings, not the things that separate us (which for some perverse reason we cling to like a life line). Polarization is tearing apart our nation and its people - to hell with the mistakes we've all made in the past. Let's move forward before it's too late.

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Lena Horne was totally black

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So sad for you to wonder why this was the only pliable reason she was cast as 'Glenda The Good Witch' in the movie. Not for her 'white features' but she happen to have been one of the greatest actress/singers of the 20th century, hands down! She may have been of a mixed race but that is NOT why she was and still remains one of the greatest women in cinematic history to date.

Do your history homework, please.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0395043/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

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@sdrudolph


Plus she was then the mother-in-law of Sidney Lumet,the director,so that's another reason she got the role. People need to read her biography, in which she revealed just how much discrimination and racist bull**** she had to put up with just being a black woman (which she primarily identified herself as,period) living in America in the era she came up in,regardless of how light-skinned she was. One of my favorite parts of the biography is when she walked into a restaurant in 1960, and someone said, "Oh,it's Lena Horne!". Some white dude had the nerve to say, "So what? She's just another n*****." Horne got mad as hell, snapped and started throwing everything she could get her hands on at that same racist white dude,including an ashtray. Can't remember how that ctually ended---you'll have to read the biography, lol. There was another recent bio that came out about her and her family you could check out,too.

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That sounds like the dumb question my cousins asked when we were little watching the Wiz asking why the good witch had to be a white lady. Lena Horne was black, duh!! She wasn't even mixed, it says that in her biography when it talks about her parents. Have you seen her daughter??? She looks nothing like Lena at all, she looks very very African American and wears her hair natural. Another dumb @ss person thinking that if you're a light skinned black person then you're not black. STFU!

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Sounds like a lot of anger there.

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Lena Horne was BLACK!!!!!!

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Lena Horne wasn't white.

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