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Would you consider Ray Hicks a hero of sorts?


I think its great how Ray Hicks pretty much sacrificed his own life to save Marge and John from what was surely a death sentence in the future. I mean trying to take a piece of the drug trade and "really living." And I think Marge pretty much fell in love with Ray near the ending on the mountain house. Or was it the smack she was in love with? Its really sad to see him die on that walk through the railroad tracks. It makes you wonder was it really worth it? All for a bag of smack.

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It makes you wonder was it really worth it? All for a bag of smack.

I think Hicks wasn't doing it to make money off the smack. He just happened to have it and didn't want to give it up without a fight, because he was sick of 'taking *beep* from inferior people', as he put it.

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Ray Hicks had a code of honor. He'd given his word. He lived & died on his own terms. I've used 'Ray Hicks' as a screen name.

Carpe Noctem

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I would say yes to Ray Hicks being a heroic character. He was incredibly loyal to both Marge and his friend John.

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And that's what we call a spoiler. I'm not sure if Ray was a hero, but I'd trust him with the smack before I'd trust those "agents."

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I would certainly call him there hero. I found him to be a good man for truly looking out for them, do think he and Marge would have became lovers with marge being zonked out so much, but who could blame him for that. He could not get her because she was still in love with Johnny I think he realized that when she was willing to risk her life and do what the drug dealers wanted. She became very close to him as a confidant and friend someone whom she opened up to, not to mention saving her and her child's life. It was not love as she loved her husband but as a friend whom she wanted in there lives.

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well more an anti-hero in the classical sense ... that term is so misused these days as it includes any 'hero' who is a smartass, like john mcclain ... now i love mcclain but he's not an anti-hero ...

the anti-hero usually sees around the next corner, or perhaps 'miss-sees', seeing his way out as that is all he's looking for .. a way out of a building situation that he has wanted no part of from the start ...

sounds easy enough at the start of the movie ... especially, in the chaos and classical *beep* that was the vietnam war ... here's a thousand dollars and 2-kilos of skag ... my wife will have another thousand for you in oakland when you get there ... easy as hauling grass ... just a different product ...

but after a while, the anti-hero is in it because at bottom, it's a point of pride not to bend to inferior people ... and two of the three people chasing him are certainly inferior ...

"in a world where flying men shoot elephants, people are going to want to get high" -- who can argue with a statement like that?


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I would consider this a piece of filth in 1978 and again now.america the Beautiful?

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Various people have mischaracterized this film over the years as perhaps too violent or too dark, or depressing, or any one of a number of negative sounding appraisals--most of which seem to ignore certain key facts about this movie: the writing, acting, story line, direction, and everything that makes for a fine picture, are all stellar. All the potrayals are about as close to perfect as it's possible to get. The movie's well-paced. Dialogue is very honest and true to the story. The viewer can see how these situations could very well have arisen in real life, and been played out in real life, just as they are on the screen. Of course, there is also a very important moral to the story: you get involved with a substance that's extremely virulent, and try to distribute the stuff for profit, you're liable to find yourself in extreme trouble. Crazed nutcases are liable to pop up out of the woodwork, and try to take the heroin away, so that THEY can make money and/or shoot up the profits. Competition for the substance can become downright nasty. What we learn when we watch a film like this is that it's extremely advisable to steer clear of substances like this, and stay away from the kinds of people who engage in behavior like that exhibited in the film. You play with fire, and eventually you get burnt. Interesting that at the tail end of the picture, the heroin gets thrown out into the sand--finally someone uses his head. And yet, amazingly, at the very end, another character comes running up to the smack in the sand, and actually tries to recover some of it with his hands. Some people just never learn.

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