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Jor El say he's been dead thousands of years


Yet in the space craft on the way to earth Kal El is taught about Einstein...

What???

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Maybe that was a different Einstein?

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The dog from Back to the Future?

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Your post made me laugh out loud.

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it's one of the most nonsensical things he says in the movie. as much as i hate to say it (because i adore his performance through and through) it seems like the writer wrote that line, and a few others, just because it sounds good. if he's been dead for thousands of Earth years then Krypton has been gone for that long as well. this also means Kal-El is thousands of years old, yet Jor-El says he's 18.

Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!

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Just chalk it up to some bizarre time warps or something.

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Agreed.

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They were referring to the famous Kryptonian physicist Aynz-Tyne.

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Lol

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Yes, that was a dumb plothole.

They were trying to stay true to the idea that traveling at light speed changes how time is felt on a ship versus the rest of the universe. A short trip at light speed could cause hundreds of years to pass on Earth.

It's an Einstein idea!

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But they never deal with time relativity when Superman is flying around the Universe at faster than the speed of light. I guess it would mess up too many timelines and continuities.

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That's not exactly what Special Relativity says. People on Earth don't magically wither and die when you ride a spaceship at the speed of light. It's just that you experience your flight time shorter than people on Earth will say it took.

Google tells me Krypton is 27.1 light years away from Earth. If it was moving at around 99% the speed of light, Kal-El's pod reaches Earth 27.2 years later (according to observers on Earth), and about 4 years should have passed inside the pod.

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That didn't make much sense what you said there.

If time is moving more slowly on a ship and a hundred years passes on Earth, people will get old and die.

If those calculations are correct then that answers that.

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Okay here's how it goes. Let's say you have a craft that makes 99.9% the speed of light. With this craft you want to go to a star 100 light years away. For someone on Earth, you depart now and arrive at your destination a bit over 100 years later. For you, the journey takes 4.5 years. Your time passes at a slower rate than others who are relatively stationary.

So, 100 years on Earth is not caused by your short trip, your 100-year-trip feels short because time dilates for you.

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That still doesn't answer how Jor-El knew about Einstein though!!

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1. Krypton is 27 light years away.
2. Traveling at 99% the speed of light, Kal El would be 4 by the time he arrived.
3. When Superman was filmed, Christopher Reeve was 26. We can say that Superman is 26 in 1978.

So, Kal El arrived at Earth 26-4 = 22 years before "Superman". Which is 1956. His Trip took 27 years, which means it was 1929 when Jor El put him in the pod. Einstein was born in 1879, published special relativity in 1905, and the final form of general relativity was published in 1915.

In 1929, Krypton's latest info of Einstein could have come from 1902, which was about 2 years after he graduated from university and was right about the time he got his job at the Swiss Patent Office.

Kryptonians couldn't have known about Einstein and his special theory of relativity until 3 years after Jor El sent his son to Earth.

Damn, i was sure the numbers added up and the movie had it right, but it didn't.

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Kryptonians couldn't have known about Einstein and his special theory of relativity until 3 years after Jor El sent his son to Earth.



But there was more going on there than that. Jor-El and Mrs. El not only appeared to Supes in the simulation, but it appeared that the simulation was much more than just an interactive artificial intelligence software - it seemed to know more than it should have in all areas and didn't just speak facts and information, it *talked* to him.

Considering how Jor-El and Mrs. El were actually talking to Supes, it's not a stretch to say that the crystal induced fortress and the Jor-EL simulations could have been acquiring Earth knowledge and information all along.

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Came to say this. I know it might be a stretch to explain the Einstein thing, but it's at least plausible that, combined with some ansible tech, the pod was updating Earth info en route and using the Jor-El AI to pass it along.

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^ This is the correct answer.

Pretty sure it even shows Superman's spiky capsule spinning through coloured waves so we can understand it's picking up information as it goes?

And yes Jor-El converses with Superman, so we know it's not just a case of one way recordings made on Krypton thousands of years ago. It's an AI simply relaying the information the ship has picked up en route...

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That can very well be the case. Have my upvote, good sir!

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I admit I never could stand watching that scene and always skip it to go to where Clark first appears at the Daily Planet. I just find it boring. And it's not like I don't like dramas. I just find that particular scene boring. I like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest for instance.

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Why doesn't it occur to anyone that Kryptonians are an ADVANCED race of people? They have all kinds of tech and abilities.

Surely 'seeing into the future' isn't that far-fetched. They would've 'foreseen' the famouse geniuses of the planet Superman is sent to, to better prepare him for everything, to make him familiar with his new surroundings before he even arrives there.

Does he really go 'speed of light', or does he EXCEED speed of light? Speed of light is way too slow for space travel, so people usually exceed it greatly, otherwise it'd be too slow and cumbersome. Why walk hundreds of miles, if you can take a train? Why take a train, if you can take a plane? Why take a plane, if you can take a portal? And so on..

Why would anyone bother crawling at light speed, when they can go way faster by slight alterations of the vibration frequencies of the energy field surrounding the spacecraft?

An advanced planet, like Krypton, would have no problem producing this kind of spacecraft, so basically, Superman is not only going through space, he's hopping through dimensions as well, and this, time has no meaning.

Explained properly, it's not a plot hole at all.

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For a high civilized society like the Kryptonian

the famouse geniuses of the planet [Earth]
might be as relevant as the guy who invented teatime.

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If they can see into the future then why did the planet explode?

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The only thing I can say is things travelling at light speed take that amount of time, but I find it really fascinating that it takes you 27.1 light years to get from
Krypton to Earth but only age like 4 years I mean physically you’re only 4 years older but technically you should be 27 years older as that’s how long it took you to get there you just haven’t physically aged that much, I’m no physicist and I don’t know enough to make an educated comment about it but it just fascinated me and gets me really interested in physics I find it truly amazing.

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Physics is really amazing. The universe is filled with balances operating on the border of what is possible, it is fascinating and humbling to learn about.

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Actually, not only is this possible, but it’s also probable.
You are forgetting, Kal-El’s Space Capsule entered Hyperspace soon after it was launched.
My physics professor explained it this way...

He held up a sheet of paper and drew 2 dots on it on opposite ends.
Then asked, “What is the shortest distance between two points?”

Answer: A Straight Line.

He drew a line connecting the two points.
Then he FOLDED the paper until the two points were touching. The straight line was doubled under the 2 points.

He asked us, “What is the shortest distance between 2 points?

Answer: TWO POINTS!

While Kal-EL’s capsule entered and exited the 2 points, the time on Krypton is still moving at their same rate.

The faster you go towards the speed of light, time begins to slow down.

This is why the original Planet of the Apes, and Close Encounters were so correct.

Taylor and the other 2 astronauts were in space during their own rate of time, but when they returned to Earth, thousands of years had passed until Human Civilization fell, and the Apes evolved to become the higher species on Earth.

In Close Encounters of the Third Kind, The People who were returned to Earth looked just as they had since their departure, despite long periods of time having passed on Earth.
“They haven’t even aged. Einstein was right!”

Kal-EL was still a baby still in his own particular rate in spacetime.
Yet, Krypton still had its own trajectory/rate of time (to pass along the folded straight line) which they had to travel.

So, When Kal-EL was still a baby when he arrived on Earth, he still aged at his own rate in time.

Krypton's spacetime was still travelling slowly along its folded timeline to reach the time Kal-El turned 18. I tried to calculate it and came up with about 38,000 years. I’m sure I’m off but not by much.

Depending on the rate of Krypton’s spacetime from its destruction; it could easily take thousands of years relative to Kal-EL’s arrival, and growth.

The faster we travel towards the Speed of Light, time begins to slow down.
When you come OUT of Hyperspace, you will still be the same age as when you entered Hyperspace.

However, the time you left before you ENTERED Hyperspace, STILL crawls along at its same rate of time when you left; and long periods of time will have passed.

Hence, Jor-EL saying “… By that reckoning, I will have been dead for many thousands of your years!”


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Another plot hole. Thanks for recognizing this

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