Cobra and Cat Scene - Se ying diu sau Discussion

[–] stoned_soldier 18 years ago

Cruel my butt. Animals fight all the time when they feel threatened. And I did think that some of the cat's jumps looked fake, as if they tied strings to the cat to make it jump the way it did.

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[–] Sabinfujin 17 years ago

Yes, animals fight all the time. In the wild. It's a little different when we make them fight for human entertainment. Shameful.

They probably did fake it, though. Cats don't usually jump like that.

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[–] silentbob36 17 years ago

Yes, it is a little cruel but as many people have said it was shot a long time ago in a country not big on animal rights (or any rights for that matter) and we dont even know if they did fight, they only show clips of each of them and the dead snake could be fake! But if not its still not as cruel as the cock fight in Drunken master strikes back!
Also its just a snake people... i mean, its the epitome of least popular animals

"trying is the first step towards failure, believing in yourself is the second"-Daniel Skellon

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[–] lunarcy22 15 years ago

Domestic cats aren't usually forced to fight cobra's either. When cats fight they jump around like that a lot.

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[–] virtualmetal 12 years ago

Which is cruel.

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[–] Antzy88 18 years ago

I can't help with a reply, as here in the UK the fight between the cat and the cobra is cut because genuine animal cruelty that was deliberately orchestrated by the film-makers is illegal in UK releases.

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[–] re_deus 18 years ago

I thought this was a great scene when I watched the original version many years ago. I was disappointed when I recently bought a DVD of the movie and found the scene was cut entirely! Shame.

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[–] the_sacred_cow 18 years ago

This movie is nothing without that scene! Cruel shmuel

pokeman?! pokeman with the poke and the man and the thing where the guy comes out

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[–] virtualmetal 12 years ago

It's the lamest 60 seconds of the film. It's unrealistic and most of it is the same repeated 5 seconds over and over. You can't be much of a martial arts fan if this is the scene that made the film for you. :-B

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[–] spookyrat1 8 years ago

From the country historically superbig on powdered rhino horns and tiger penises, are we really all that surprised? And I'm not condoning the scene, but yes, the movie is almost 40 years old.🐭

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[–] cheepnis 18 years ago

It sure looked like the cobra died, and if it had fangs or venom, I'd assume the cat died, too. That was a shocking scene -- kind of out of place with the rest of the movie. It does seem wrong if either one got hurt merely for the sake of a flick.

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[–] drunkenmaster04 17 years ago

Wasnt really out of place with the rest of the film though. It acts as the inspiration for inventing the Cat's Claw style and combining it with the Snake Fist.

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[–] sunkissedgoddess 18 years ago

Wasn't there a a fake cat and a snake tied to a rope in that scene? Watch that scene again. I was sure there was a big rope tied to the two animals "wrestling". Anyway, that is crazy! Why would the DVD cut that scene out? How would the viewer know that that is the way Jackie Chan thought of the idea to use the snakes claw? If you had never scene the film before, you wouldn't know that. Right?

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[–] Antzy88 18 years ago

Anyway, that is crazy! Why would the DVD cut that scene out?

The distributor had no choice; UK law forbids the distribution and exhibition of any scenes in which animals were subjected to cruelty that was deliberately orchestrated by the film-makers. To comply with the Cinematograph Films (Animals) Act 1937 the bits in which cruelty occurred had to go. Clearly the animals were not fake when tied to ropes or the cuts to those bits would not have had to occur.

How would the viewer know that that is the way Jackie Chan thought of the idea to use the snakes claw? If you had never scene the film before, you wouldn't know that. Right?

You do still know that a fight occurred and who won it because you still see the shot of the dead snake after the cat killed it, and Jackie makes the comment about the cat having sharp claws, then gets the idea of combining Cat's Claw with Snake Fist.

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[–] spiney-4 18 years ago

When in NY I bought the US version of Snake in the Eagle's Shadow, and that had the cat/cobra scene in. Never seen the HKL version or any other UK versions though.

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[–] Antzy88 18 years ago

I used to have the Made In Hong Kong video version (came out circa 1998 if I remember correctly), and the cat/cobra fight was also removed in that one. All UK releases have had this scene cut in this way, and that will remain the case as long as the Act exists.

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[–] virtualmetal 12 years ago

No, we should just find other methods for realistic animal fights in films. Predators in the wild do what they do to survive. They have no other way. We do.

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[–] virtualmetal 12 years ago

That wasn't fake. It's a real cat. Watch it again! The cat is trying to bite the snake (not sure is this real but it probably is given that they had no qualms about tying the cat and yanking it in the air).

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[–] mndlazi 17 years ago

Being born and bred in South Africa I have seen such things in reality (in the wild) where the cat usually end up eating even the most poisonous snake, the black mamba.

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[–] JIM_KELLYS_AFRO 16 years ago

i own the original vhs UK release and the animal fight is there!
I always wanted to wtcth the monkey vs the snake in "snake in the monkeys shadow".

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[–] xinshen28 15 years ago

who the **** cares, the lolcat won, that's good enough for me.

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[–] Jeffherrington 14 years ago

Yeah I can't believe anyone was offended by this scene, it was hilarious and anyone who thinks any animal died in this scene is ignorant. You want to cry about animal cruelty at least bring up a movie containing actual cruelty like Cannibal Holocaust.

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[–] andylib79 14 years ago

anyone that doesn't think that scene was animal cruelty is as ignorant as the film makers.
sure, animals kill each other in the wild for food, it's another thing to set up a fight and drag them around on strings for entertainment.
even if you want to use the "cannibal holocaust arguement", those naitives looked like they have chopped up and eaten monkeys and turtles as a source of food many times prior and would probably be doing stuff like that whether the cameras were there or not.
Saying "it's only a snake" sounds pretty stupid too. do cute animals have more of a right to live than creepy ones?
dogs fight on their own sometimes, does that mean that setting up dog fighting rings is ok?
there's a reason there aren't scenes like this in films anymore...it's cruel and ignorant.

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[–] pc_buttspasm 7 years ago

even if you want to use the "cannibal holocaust arguement", those naitives looked like they have chopped up and eaten monkeys and turtles as a source of food many times prior and would probably be doing stuff like that whether the cameras were there or not.

You do know that the Cannibal Holocaust "natives" were actors in a movie and not actually living wild in the Amazon jungle, right?

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[–] coolaree 13 years ago

The dead snake actually looked fake to me, but what do I know. The snake was probably also devenomised or whatever. Everything else looked kinda real, some actual cat scractching must have took place..., which wouldnt be surprising.

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[–] yarmen12 12 years ago

I saw it last night, and I'm really not fond of cats, am allergic, I think they're one of the animal kingdom's users and takers that donot contribute real friendship like a dog or a monkey.

So when Jackie Chan saw the animals and said "Get him !" I couldn't decide which animal he was telling to kill the other !

Man, that snake was dumb, how the hell did they train it to keep going back to the cat ? Got it's damn snout clawed, only to keep going back for more.

I would have felt sorry for the snake if it wasn't so retarded.

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