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Master Killer Vs. 5 Deadly Venoms!!!!


Which is better?

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5 Venoms rule. Because Poison clan gang rocks the world!

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In my opinion, 5 Deadly Venoms is simply the greatest kung fu film ever made.

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I saw this topic yesterday so i decided to rewatch both last night. I think before that i may have been leaning toward 5 venoms but after watching them again i'm going with Master Killer. It just seems that Master Killer has withstood the test of time with me better, I don't what it is but I just really enjoyed it more.

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Shaolin master killer is better by far. I'm not too fond of 5 deadly venoms (bad script, plot, martial arts movies, and horrid constume design).

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I have not seen 5 Deadly Venoms but Master Killer was my first kung fu movie which I saw around 1984. It has left a big impression on me. Since then I have not seen it but I am inclined to buy it. I saw the movie under the name 36th Chamber of Shaolin and I vaguely remember the opening credits where Liu Chia Hui is practicing Kung Fu in falling water. I also vaguely remember his brother fighting the two villains in the begining of the movie and getting killed. I want to see it again and I think I will buy it to see it.

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Put me in the Five Deadly Venoms group.
But thats probably because the Venoms is the movie that got me hooked on Kung Fu flicks.

I also would say that a remake of the Venoms with todays choreography, technology and writing could be even better.

Add to that the drinking game around the venoms movie (that applies to others) really puts it up there.

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36th Chamber is definitely the better of the two (though King Boxer is my personal favorite Shaw martial arts flick). Five Venoms is a vastly overrated film.

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actually the sequel to 5 deadly venoms, CRIPPLED AVENGERS AKA RETURN OF THE FIVE DEADLY VENOMS is actually much better than the original.

master lau is a traditional martial artist and makes films that teach the audience about martial arts. this is breakthrough, no comparison IMO.

5 venoms has a cult following, but while it is one of the classic martial arts films of all time, master killer could very well be one of the best films of all time.

"Give me the strength never to disown the poor or bend my knees before insolent might." R. Tagore

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I agree with the sentiment that Master Killer is perhaps one of the best films made. I saw this originally when I was 10 years old and it left such an indelible impression on me that I never forgot it (and only recently purchased a DVD copy of it...now I'm 37).

The Five Deadly Venoms is a good movie...but very different in scope and breadth. I have the impression that Quentin Tarantino would love the Five Deadly Venoms but would not have much use for Master Killer....

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I think Quentin Tarantino may have seen the 5 Deadly Venoms. In Kill Bill Vol. 1, he names the assassins the Deadly Viper Squad and gives them all poisonous animal names(snakes in this instance) If you really know your Kung Fu movies, there are tons of in-jokes to classic Gung Fu movies. It's a toss up for me with these 2 movies, but If I had to pick one over the other, I'd probably pick Venoms.

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I would have to disagree that Tarantino is a bigger Five Deadly Venoms fan.

Let's not forget that He Used Master Killer Gordon Liu as two characters in his film Kill Bill. he's both Johnny Mo and Pei Mai.

The fact that Gordan Liu is now the teacher training a student (the Bride) rather then being the student(The 36th chamber of Shaolin) seems to be a very clear reference to this film. Perhaps a very clear nod to show his fondness for specifically this movie.

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I plan to watch this film tonight. Personally, I love FIVE DEADLY VENOMS and its sequel. Although in my opinion, THE MASTER OF THE FLYING GUILLOTINE is the best (and coolest) kung-fu film ever made.

"I've come up hard, baby, but now I'm cool."
-Marvin Gaye

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I liked both films for different reasons.

The Master Killer is one of my favorites because of Gordon Liu. Pretty much any martial arts film with him in it and I am there.

The 5 Deadly Venoms I really enjoyed just for its over-the-top martial arts styles, the masks (which I used to think were really cool when I was a little kid watching this movie), and also because all the actors playing the Venoms I have enjoyed almost all their films. I admit the story was a little light in terms of making much sense, but I still enjoyed the characters.

My personal favorite would have to be the Snake number 2. He was more fleshed out character-wise then any of the others, and when I found out that the role was originally intended to be a female that just made it even more intersting.

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