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Detested the sequel because Oliver Barrett IV is detestable


I believe the people who produced and directed the sequel to tear-jerker, LOVE STORY, this OLIVER'S STORY, must have hated the original. They tried hard to make us despise Oliver Barrett IV and they succeeded. In 'Love Story', Oliver is essentially a nice guy, somewhat too proud and cocksure, a chip off the old block. But his deep love for Jenny tempers him into a sympathetic person who suffers a heart-rending tragedy that every one of us fears going through. In OLIVER'S STORY, he is, to put it bluntly, a messed up anal prick. And he has regressed back to his former self before Jenny, only worse. Much worse, he accepts love-making with Marcie (Candice Bergen) and has the unmitigated gall to question and regret his feelings for Marcie afterwards. And I'm a guy writing this and siding with Marcie. Guys, don't accept sex from a sympathetic woman and the next day act like an uptight, peevish fool to her. Oliver affects overpreening airs of liberal superiority, exposing his upper social class superiority arrogance, when he also ridicules Marcie's father's family business, accusing the company of taking advantage of minorities and foreign workers. Obviously, he is trying to sabotage his growing feelings for Marcie because he can't and won't get over his grief for Jenny...a part of him has died with her. I can sympathize that it's so easy to tell a bereaved person that they have to someday get over their loss, until we have to endure it. But even psychiatrists admonish us that as humans, it is natural to grieve but also natural to move on after a time. Grieving permanently damages us perhaps fatally. OLIVER'S STORY ends, but has no real resolution. The best the movie can offer us is a psychological case study in how unresolved prolonged sorrow can turn pathological and negatively affect people in direct personal and emotional contact with the bereaved. Oliver's resolution is his beginning to accept he must move on. But there's no resolution truly with Marcie, who inexplicably hangs around instead of dumping the self-pitying a--hole that he has become. Out of the traditional movie four stars rating, I sincerely give this movie ONE star, which historically meant, poor, or don't bother. At best this movie might get away with one-and-a-half stars because of the return of the major characters except Jenny. This movie is a warning about tragic people who cannot move on from their sorrow and also another warning to those of us connected to the grieving person who can be pulled down into the black whirlpool abyss of their relentless grief, to drown with the bereaved.

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Eh, who cares. He's got a fantastic vintage MG T-Series roadster, and Candice "Did your car age on the way?" Bergen is worth the price of admission. It's also fun to see her playing a fictional Bonwit when Bonwit Teller no longer exists. Just enjoy.

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Just a very poorly made movie.
I really hated the part where OLIVER yells and screams at his new blond girlfriend, like he is completely out of control. Not Depressed, but out of control.
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And the blonde girlfriend put up w/ his temper tantrums...She stayed w/ him too long.
Should have left sooner.

Anyhow, poor editing (scenes jumped all over), poor acting, etc.
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You're so right. Oliver was so overwhelmingly unlikable, I spent most of the movie hoping Marcy slaps him.

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His whole temper tantrum during the tuna fish scene and later, the phone call in the middle of Marcie's board meeting and their conversation afterward - ridiculous and uncalled for... made him super-unlikeable. But I do like how Marcie says, "My god, Oliver, do you always exaggerate this much??" and how Candice Bergen delivers this line incredulously rather than defensively, which was super-fitting. I say Marcie dodged a bullet when they broke up.

I read Love Story a million years ago. I don't think I've seen but snippets of the movie. But Oliver's Story came on cable yesterday and I wanted to check it out. It was so awful, and Oliver was so ridiculous that I can't imagine watching Love Story now.

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Oh, hey, fourth_time, don't avoid "Love Story" because of the sequel. I just take "Oliver's Story" for what it is. I didn't expect anything great. But "Love Story" is a pop culture phenomenon and treasure. I have watched it so many times I can recite the dialogue, and it never disappoints me. To me it is very representative of the times. Everyone talked about it, everyone recognized the music, Ali McGraw's wardrobe influenced the fashion world, and I really like her character Jenny and Jenny's chemistry with Ryan O'Neal's Oliver.

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Evidently, Oliver's Story is not a romance. However, the same can be said about Love Story. Evidently, the relation between Oliver and his father is loveless. His frustrations spoil the dawning love with Jenny. Imho the relation requires huge investments by her, which creates a lack of balance. Indeed this makes Love Story painful to watch. If you accept that Love Story describes an unhealthy collusion, then Oliver's Story is an interesting further elaboration of Oliver's twisted character. In fact it is more timeless than Love Story, since the second feminist wave of the sixties has swepped away the ideal of the submissive housewife.

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