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The mask would have been better if...


Now don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of the history behind this movie. It was supposed to be called The Babysitter Murders. It taking place on Halloween was not supposed to be significant. They tried a few masks and grabbed whatever worked. Now, thinking about the fact that they grabbed a Captain Kirk mask and just painted it white is very odd, but it worked. I don't know how many people recognized it at the time, but those that did must have been baffled. I'm just saying what I think would have been more Halloween related, and would have covered up MORE that it was a William Shatner mask, if it was... painted orange, and black paint around the eyes and mouth to make it look like a jack o lantern. YES the white mask is iconic and works so well, I just honestly think this could have been better, and even more iconic. There, I said it. I know I'll get backlash, and I accept that.

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IM ACTUALLY WATCHING HALLOWEEN WITH MY DAUGHTER RIGHT NOW...WHILE MY INITIAL REACTION IS TO REJECT THAT IDEA,I WILL CONSIDER IT WHILE WATCHING.

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That mask is perfect. You had to be there back in the day to understand how amazingly scary that movie was and a lot of it had to do with that mask.

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....plus, the ghostly blankness of that pale grey color was just so perfect. There’s a scene near the end of the movie where MM is in the house with Laurie, standing just behind her in the shadows. As your eyes start to get used to the dark....you begin to see that pale, white mask slowly come into focus. Just absolutely masterful.

Sorry, but an orange jackolantern mask would have made MM just another gimmicky movie psycho, like Jason. The mask Michael wore captured the pure blankness and evil he embodied.

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I agree.

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JUST FINISHED THE FILM WITH MY DAUGHTER...SHE LOVED IT...I THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR MASK IDEA...WHILE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN COOL IN ITS OWN WAY,FOR THE TIME AND THIS FILM I THINK THE STARK WHITE MASK IS PERFECT...MICHAEL HAD NO CARE FOR ARTS AND CRAFTS AND ITS BLANK LOOK REALLY WORKS THE WAY CARPENTER SET UP HIS SHOTS AND SCRIPT...ALSO,THE ORANGE AND BLACK DESIGN YOU MENTIONED REMINDS ME OF A LOT O HALLOWEEN IMITATERS THAT FOLLOWED.SO YOU ARENT ALONE IN APPRECIATING THAT LOOK.

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I think making it more Halloween themed would have actually made it less iconic. It would have just blended in with all of the many Halloween themed costumes, masks, and decorations that are out there.

Also, I don't have a problem with it noticeably being Shatner's face. It just brings the movie more into the real world where William Shatner exists.

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Well, and the serendipity of it all is....the mask doesn't look much like William Shatner at all. I mean...no one would look at that mask, the way it was doctored, and ever think it looks like Shatner. So instead....they ended-up with a mask that just looks like a blank....lifeless....empty face. The face of evil. This film was a perfect storm of serendipity, great writing/vision and master craftmanship from Carpenter and team. The mask was just one example of that. I mean....just look at that PERFECT, creepy, expressionless mask! (Why mess with perfection)

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Another thing about why the mask is so eerie/perfect is Shatner had a handsome face, like well proportioned etc (obviously as he was a leading man) so in a way the mask is like that of a mannequin with perfect features that make it even more eerie than if it were disfigured or a grotesque nose etc

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Good insight

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Like others have said the simplistic and emotionless look is what makes the mask iconic and can't really see something like a pumpkin having as much impact. I'm sure I read they tried a few others such as a clown mask (although he uses a clown one as a kid). Glad they used this one. A clown one would just be generic. When you see michaels mask you know who it is instantly

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<< It taking place on Halloween was not supposed to be significant. >>

Incorrect. The project started life as an idea of producer Irwin Yablans.
All he had was a horror movie taking place on Halloween night.
Carpenter took that and went from there.

I think a pumpkin or other Halloween-themed mask might have worked, at least for merchandising. Had this been a major studio production they likely would have gone that route. But as it was a low-budget indy, they picked a common mask that was 99 cents.

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-Originally an idea suggested by producer Irwin Yablans (entitled The Babysitter Murders), who envisioned a film about babysitters being menaced by a stalker, Carpenter took the idea and another later suggestion from Yablans that it take place during Halloween and developed a story.

-Director John Carpenter originally intended to call his movie The Babysitter Murders, but producer Irwin Yablans suggested that the story may be more significant if it were based around a specific holiday, so the title was changed to Halloween.

-While Carpenter and Hill began coming up with ideas for what would become the script – initially just what-if scenarios and imaginative deaths – Yablans called up with another idea: what if the story was set on Halloween night? For the two co-writers, it was the final piece of the puzzle, providing them not only with a theme for the story, but also its supernatural element.

-His idea revolved around babysitters being stalked at night, and when Carpenter and his late co-writer and producer Debra Hill began writing, Yablans suggested it take place on October 31st.

-Yablans' idea was simple enough: a psychopathic killer stalking babysitters. In fact, early in pre-production, the project had the working title The Babysitter Murders. Speaking with Entertainment Weekly, Carpenter remembered, "I was finishing [directing] a TV movie called Someone's Watching Me! when Irwin Yablans called and said, 'Why don't we set it on Halloween night—in fact, why don't we call it Halloween?' I have to give him credit. So Debra and I... began writing."

Should have sourced the rest of these, I suppose, but honestly this next one is enough
EW interview with John Carpenter quoted as saying such
http://www.oocities.org/j_nada/carp/interview/ew.html

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That actually would have been pretty cool.

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Interesting idea, but I don’t think anything could/would work better than the original mask. Carpenter and company talk about seeing it for the first time during pre-production and how it gave them goosebumps. The entire movie captured lightning in a bottle, and the mask was a big part of it.

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Another great thing about the (Shatner) mask, with it's hollow black eye sockets and ghostly white paint.....is how it slowly is revealed from darkness. Carpenter was masterful in how he did this.

A great example is near the end of the movie, when Laurie is standing in the hallway at the top of the stairs, and behind her is a darkened closet. As your eyes slowly adjust to the darkness, you begin to see that white mask materialize from the darkness like a ghost, and you realize Michael is standing just inside that closet. Brilliant.

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