How do you know he was not killed in broad daylight? Unless there was missing scene, I think it's safe to say none of us has the answer :):
I never said he wasn't killed in broad daylight - but given that the mechanic was killed only about 80m from Smith's Grove (approx. a 90 minute drive) and Michael broke out in the evening time when it was dark, it seems reasonable to assume that the mechanic was killed at night, probably within a couple of hours of Michael's escape.
I can't see why Michael would still only be 80 miles from Smith's Grove by sun up the morning after his escape.........which would have to be the case if the mechanic was killed in daylight.
Ok what about Bob? No bearing on that & what needs did Bob had to offer to Myers?
Once Myers happened upon Laurie and her female friends, each of them became a target. Each one young and their femininity and adolescence reminiscent of his sister Judith.
Once he'd followed Laurie and Annie to their babysitting location he had a plan. A total recreation of Judith's murder with Annie - presented to Laurie once she was lured to the Wallace house.
Bob was just the unfortunate boyfriend who ended up at the location and had to be removed. I'm sure Lynda's murder - in a bedroom just like Judith's - satisfied Michael's criteria and fit his pathology.........but Bob was simply an obstacle in Myers' path that needed removing.
With the kid at the school, there is utterly no comparison and killing him would satisfy nothing in Myers' very specific pathology.
In fact it would complicate, even jepordize his whole agenda by bringing about a large scale police operation and make him identifiable since it would most likely have been witnessed.
Bob was not in his way - Myers could have stayed quiet in the closet & Bob would not have known he was there. Bob only wanted was his beer & go back up & screw Linda again...
Myers had killed Annie and planned to make a shrine of her death with Judith's tombstone. Knowing Laurie would most likely investigate at some point having lost contact with her friends, his intention was to present this shrine before killing Laurie.
Bob and Lynda might have stuck around for ages if not killed and most definitely interfered with his plans, so staying quiet in the closet all that time and re-scheduling his plans may not have appealed.
Myers went directly to the Wallace's house to stalk Annie & Linda, he could have went directly to the Doyles instead if Laurie was the main target...
I don't buy Laurie was his main objective
I can see why you would say this but there's no reason to assume that the main target has to be the one he goes for first.
I would say that the very fact he most deliberately saves Laurie 'til last is a strong indication that she was if not the main target, then the focal point of his overall scheme.
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dave626
8 years ago
Myers escaped at night and was at his house the first thing in the morning when Laurie showed up. So it's safe to say the mechanic died in the dark. Like simest said, it's not like it was a leisurely drive, it was a bee line home. Where the mechanic's body was would indicate it happened early on not the last thing he did before he hit town.
I'll answer 2 questions at once. Laurie had children with her, and as the movie itself played out he wasn't interested in killing them. In fact, he went to great lengths to avoid them. He could've gone after them when Laurie locked herself in the closet, but he chose her. Annie was alone. Easy kill. Lynda had Bob, but the best way to get to Lynda was to make her think he was Bob. Also, Myers did all that to lure Laurie to the Wallace house to kill her there away from the kids. Why not just walk over when he offed Lynda? Why wait? Isolation.
Simest is right in his observations, but that's my 2 cents on it too. Michael had a plan and aside from Laurie's escaping the house alive, it almost went perfectly.
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cjh8504
8 years ago
You have an answer for everything, Simmy. I'm right with you on this one, though.
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pop-actor
8 years ago
I can't see why Michael would still only be 80 miles from Smith's Grove by sun up the morning after his escape.........which would have to be the case if the mechanic was killed in daylight.
Try to make it to one destination without a map or have barely driven a car - The 80 miles maybe longer than expected - Especially in the case of Myers, who was unfamiliar with roads ''Missed a few exit signs'' ''A few detours to get back on the main road to Haddonfield'' & ''he was driving at night in the rain''...
I say he made it early morning & killed the mechanic guy in day light...
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simest
8 years ago
I say he made it early morning & killed the mechanic guy in day light...
Totally disagree.
By your criteria, if he only managed to get 80 miles before early morning daylight because he was struggling with roads, signs etc, that would mean he'd have to have made up the remaining 70m in super fast time to be at the Myers house bright and early before Laurie and Tommy got to school.
For me that doesn't stack up.
Even driving at night, I can't see why he'd take so many hours to cover the first 80 miles, then fly through the next 70 like a hot knife through butter.
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pop-actor
8 years ago
Did he stole the tombstone from the cemetery also that same night?
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simest
8 years ago
That's a good question and I would say yes. It's not something one could do in broad daylight without risking detection. It's highly likely Myers did this in the dead of night under cover of darkness.
And that would have to place him at Haddonfield well before the school run as removing and transporting the headstone may have taken an hour or two - all of which makes it more and more likely that the mechanic was murdered at night not too long after Michael's escape.
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pop-actor
8 years ago
I give U a point on that one, he must stole the shovel inside the towing after he killed the mechanic guy before digging up the headstone.
I am sure U can't explain how he pick-up the headstone & place in the back of the car, lol No way U have an explanation for that one my friend.
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cjh8504
8 years ago
Oooh, I love Wheaties.
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dave626
8 years ago
The headstone was probably the first thing he went to do when he got into town. Besides, how many people honestly troll graveyards in the morning or wee hours of the night? Or pay attention to other people there.
As for the headstone, he's supernaturally superhuman, he can pick a grown man struggling against him with one hand by the throat, choke him and stab him with a knife in the other hand. Do you really think an inanimate object would give him trouble? Besides, he was driving a station wagon. Pull the back end to it, lower the hatch, push the headstone onto the hatch, lift and push it in. Problem solved.
Same with how people loaded furniture back in the day. Leverage.
One thing unexplainable in the film though is how he had the mask when Laurie got there yet the alarm/discount mart scene wasn't until after school. Was the power off? Was it closed? The alarm couldn't have been going off all day. I've tried to explain it, but fail.
That to me is one of the few goofs in this film you can't rationalize. But otherwise still a great film.
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pop-actor
8 years ago
He probably stole the mask from the mechanic man who bought it for a Halloween party - That's how Myers already had the mask on at the Myers house...
The size of the boots between Myers & the mechanic guy, well it's a coincidence..
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dave626
8 years ago
No, Brackett told Annie that someone stole rope, a couple of knives and a Halloween mask. The mechanic would not have a mask on him, or take it to work with him that makes no sense. You don't just keep something like that with you the day before. No, he got the mask when he robbed the hardware store.
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pop-actor
8 years ago
One thing unexplainable in the film though is how he had the mask when Laurie got there yet the alarm/discount mart scene wasn't until after school.
You said it was unexplainable but when I gave U a good theory about the mask belonging to mechanic guy.
You responded totally differently the second time:
No, Brackett told Annie that someone stole rope, a couple of knives and a Halloween mask.
No, he got the mask when he robbed the hardware store.
I once bought a Myers mask weeks before Halloween cos I did not want to be at the last minute, the mechanic guy might have been moonlighting & he bought it before his shift started in the evening & kept inside his towing until morning...
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kurt7825
8 years ago
i could see him getting the mask from the mechanic guy. it makes sense
also Michael took a big gamble if Laurie was the main target. if babysitting ended early or she left for some other reason, Michael's plans sure would have been screwed up.
i see why its possible Laurie wasn't the main target
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pop-actor
8 years ago
Finally someone understand :) Myers was at the Myers house early morning with the mask on...The hardware store was broken in close to the evening.
I did work once as a alarm technician, if Myers had broken into the hardware store early in the morning, the alarm goes off immediately. The owner is called in immediately or the police will be called in - No sound alarm will be allowed or continued to be heard for entire day - It would be disrupted to other businesses or people living near by...
I agree with Bracket, it was a bunch of kids of who stoles masks, knives & ropes...
Myers did not used ropes or other Masks when he killed Annie, Bob or Lynda.
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simest
8 years ago
Finally someone understand :) Myers was at the Myers house early morning with the mask on...The hardware store was broken in close to the evening.
I agree with Bracket, it was a bunch of kids of who stoles masks, knives & ropes...
Myers did not used ropes or other Masks when he killed Annie, Bob or Lynda.
It's up to each person how they perceive things but I feel the only reason it's disclosed to us very specifically the items stolen from the shop, is for us to assume it was Myers who stole it.
Especially since those items included both knife and mask - two items key to his agenda.
For me, it doesn't matter how many he stole or whether he used them all.
On the subject of rope however, I would speculate that he may have used this in some capacity to dislodge/transport the headstone and very probably to suspend Bob within the closet as discovered by Laurie.
Given also that he is back in Haddonfield to relive his childhood crime (which involved wearing a mask) it seems better story logic that he would seek this out with purpose rather than just have the good fortune of happening upon one by chance from the first person he stumbles upon and kills.
With regards to the alarm ringing in the evening after Michael is shown to have the mask much earlier, I genuinely believe this is simply a weakness in the plotting.........a lapse in the writing if you like.
As much as I like the film, I've always accepted this as one of it's story flaws.
But I'll always remain convinced that we are meant to assume Michael did commit the break-in and steal the missing items.........and did so in the night long before opening hours.
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pop-actor
8 years ago
I genuinely believe this is simply a weakness in the plotting.........a lapse in the writing if you like.
As a writer looking from a writer's point of view, the writers did much have time to think about details like that when they rush on writing the script due the demands of the producers to make the film as fast as possible due to the budget.
On the subject of rope however, I would speculate that he may have used this in some capacity to dislodge/transport the headstone
Dave think is he's supernaturally superhuman, no need for ropes - Very curious on his comeback answer.
like looking at as director point of view
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dave626
8 years ago
Again, it's a matter of when you believe Michael stole the mask, rope, knives at the hardware store. The missing headstone scene took place *before* Laurie and Annie pulled up to the hardware store. So assuming Myers stole the headstone first thing, or any time before he hit the hardware store, logically he wouldn't have had the rope until after the headstone. Right?
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simest
8 years ago
For me, the sequence of events would entail him breaking into the hardware store as soon as he hit Haddonfield in the dead of night and then heading straight to the cemetary to remove the headstone.
I think with his agenda firmly in mind, he would be driven first to equip himself with the essential items he needs to fulfil his intentions.......ie the mask and knives.
I can't see him heading to the graveyard first and spending any stretch of time there without a mask on. The mask is so predominant and central to his psyche.
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cjh8504
8 years ago
One of the many goofs, Sim. 😉
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dave626
8 years ago
That still doesn't explain why the store wasn't looked into until after 6 pm if he went there first thing. The cops weren't that busy and the alarm would've been going all day. That makes no sense.
What does make sense is that Michael had time between Laurie's first visit to his house to watching her at school either before or after depending on when that class actually was, to go to the closed hardware store.
Hard to wrap my head around the timeline of unseen events.
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kurt7825
8 years ago
yeah its just an error but kind of an obvious one. funny Carpenter made the mistake. it leaves open the possibility Michael got the mask from the tow truck guy
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simest
8 years ago
I genuinely doubt Carpenter had any such notion in mind when he wrote Brackett's line about the stolen items.
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simest
8 years ago
That still doesn't explain why the store wasn't looked into until after 6 pm if he went there first thing. The cops weren't that busy and the alarm would've been going all day. That makes no sense.
I know.
As I said earlier, I view that as a flaw in the writing.
What does make sense is that Michael had time between Laurie's first visit to his house to watching her at school either before or after depending on when that class actually was, to go to the closed hardware store.
Certainly possible but it still leaves the alarm going off a long long time from when he's seen at the school until when the girls talk to Brackett. You still essentially have the same problem even if the time span is shorter.
It's also a much riskier move to conduct a break-in in broad daylight rather than in the dead of night under the cover of darkness when you have the choice of either.
I am also sceptical that the hardware store would be closed during business hours on a school day.
Hard to wrap my head around the timeline of unseen events.
You may be trying too hard!
For me the alarm ringing hours later remains a simple flaw in the plotting and something that's not worth overthinking.
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cjh8504
8 years ago
There's no chance he got it from the mechanic as Kurt suggests.
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cjh8504
8 years ago
That's not true. Lol.
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