Yes.....They do, you can't possibly be that ignorant, and moreover, how can you even say that? They should NEVER be available to the public for NAMING, they surely exist, just as rings of pedophiles raping children exist, and have been busted, they're horrible things, but both are just so well hidden.
Personally I'm just fine with them being so well hidden, only done through videotapes and personal favors, the less I know the better, what I'm not okay with is you mocking them with the idea that they're fake. Countless people have been killed in these underground films, and you mock their tragic ends with your nonsense.
The quote above from a previous post is very well said. Thank you, Revrant!
Innocence can certainly be considered a virtue, while
ignorance can not, especially when an individual is making strong, definitive statements considering issues he/she obviously has no experience of and limited knowledge about, basing those arguments on rather narrow sources of research, and -above all-
represents opinions as facts.
I have seen a snuff film - or more specifically
parts of one. That was nearly seven years ago, yet it still haunts my dreams occasionally. I would unsee it if I could, and I neither wanted nor chose to watch it in the first place. I felt compelled to do so, however, in order to make at least a little difference in a world of exploitation and savagery that knows no boundaries. And I'm not going to jail for what I saw, simply because
it was a part of my job. Grim, eh?! Only a couple of people working for the same organization as I was were able to watch
all of it (somebody ultimately
must, for how can you make an official statement considering material you have not carefully watched through...), and I readily admit I was not amongst those few.
It may sound like a cliché, but there
are places in this world, where money screams louder than humanity and justice, and everything,
anything is for sale: human body -female or male-, virginity and innocence, health and wellbeing and - even
lives, if the cash overrules the risk involved. Just as real as those widespread underground paedophilia rings are some similar organizations that go a step further, combining sex
and death. There have been busts, there are statistics (yes, I've seen some), but people really should comprehend, that these issues are not the kind of stuff that is widely discussed in public! And just for an exemple: FBI and other law-and-order forces
never tell
everything in their publicly released documents - for very good reasons, that are numerous: it can spread panic on occasion, it can jeopardize an investigation, it can give away too grim (equals realistic!)a picture of the threats lurking behind the facade of this corrupt modern society, it may put some of their own to an uncomfortable position or show certain individuals in a bad light...just general examples here, that apply to
all release of information. (And I myself am
not working for FBI and have no access to their files, only trying to describe how handling the criminal issues generally works. Neither am I taking a stand in whether it's right or wrong withholding information from the public, just merely stating it's a common procedure.)
The following chapter contains highly disturbing graphic details of criminal activities, so be forewarned before reading:There are underground rings, that buy (from development countries mainly) and sell (to the wealthier countries) children of all ages, ethnic groups and both genders for paedophilic exploitation purposes. Similar human trafficking is practised on adults too, predominantly women. Sometimes the victims are kidnapped, yet more often they are actually sold by a family member, especially the children. The women and some kids usually end up in brothels run by prostitution rings, but some are directly sold for an extremely high prize to warped individuals, for sex-slaves or even for a single act of torture-and-kill. That in itself is not
snuff, but it opens up some further possibilities: at a certain point the majority of these directly sold victims are inevitably murdered, either to silence them up or simply to get rid of them once they've become "damaged goods" (a terrible choice of words, yet that's exactly how the minds of these perverts work). So occasionally, it's
being done on camera -the concept of "snuff" most often includes
sexual violence and torture, that ends up with the victim being killed on tape- and is sold for sky-high prices through very discreet channels to a very limited selection of customers, who are known to be "trusted". Most commonly it serves as a means of sexual gratification to the consumer, and it can even be "custom-made" according to a certain individuals' requests - you get the picture, right, would not care to describe any more detailed than that...These criminal rings are for obvious reasons very difficult to uncover, but there
have been some cases of people going to trial for possession of the so-called snuff. In some countries this can easily bring a death sentence. Certain aspects of the crime are very hard to
prove with hard enough evidence however, and the success rate is shamefully low.
The organization I was working for concentrates on fighting
all types of human trafficking in general, not especially or in particular
snuff, yet occasionally that issue comes up in those circles, and that -along with the confidential files I've seen while working there- is the experience I base my statements on. Like the fellow poster I quoted in the beginning, I was highly irritated and infuriated by the combination of ignorance and arrogance in the original poster's attitude, and therefore I felt compelled to shed some light on a very disturbing and sensitive issue. After all it is quite offensive to the victims of crime ignoring the existence of practises that cost lives of the innocents. Of course when the thought of something is too macabre to be believed, it tends to be human nature to prefere to brush it under the rug. And it's okay
not to know (even preferable in order to stay sane!), really, as long as one does not
pretend to know what in fact is a modified truth. Let's all be grateful for what we have, for it's never for granted, and so many people are so much worse off than we ever were. That's a tough lesson I've learned the hard way...
Thank you for reading!
-N-L
"She left behind small traces of her time on Earth,visible only to those who know where to look..."
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Nidra-Lalita
17 years ago
Now that I think about it, it seems to me the OP has clearly confused two entirely different things. Since he/she is asking the second poster to "name one [snuff film]", and was in the original message referring to the "Guinea Pig" series and such. Of course these commercial, widely distributed movies have only simulated scenes of torture, death and mutilation. Certainly real snuff could hardly be distributed in this way, since murder is a serious crime all over the globe! It's true some people are wondering and spreading wild rumours about the authenticity of such horror and exploitation flicks, but those are silly accusations.
Though in the '70s there was a major scandal that almost lead to court after Ruggero Deodato published his ultraviolent film "Cannibal Holocaust", claiming it was "based on real events" and had been filmed in a way that supported his claim, and he actually brought the entire cast to a TV show to prove they were alive and unharmed, before the charges were dropped and his reputation cleared! This "all this really happened" phenomenon is a widely used marketing trick, because it adds to the tension and curiosity surrounding a film keeping people guessing. I also think the book mentioned (I have not read it, just assuming) concentrates on this kind of hype around the movie industry and reveals the facts behind the fiction claimed to be based on reality.
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