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Abby was entitled .....and Bill was attacked (SpoilersOfCourse)



Why run?

Abby would have inherited the farmer's estate being his wife, regardless of how he died, considering it wasn't by her hand.

The farmer (Sam Shepard) would have been found with his gun beside his body, showing he had gone after Bill intending to kill him, and Bill had struck back in self defence.

The farm foreman had been relocated due to displeasure by his employer, the farmer. This would have been some proof (possibly) of bitterness by this man towards the 3 live ins - had he spoken up against them.

Their going on the run virtually invited accusations of wrong-doing - making them appear guilty.

Does anyone think they stood a better chance by staying?



~~~~m.f.~~~~

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Why run?
Because Bill was a hothead who ran first and thought later.

In the previous event -after the death in the mill in Chicago- Bill's habit of running seemed to have worked, keeping him out of jail and moving him to a nice place. So his habit had been reinforced. Abby was obviously conflicted about what to do, and likely would have stayed if it had just been her own decision. But Bill was so adamant about running, and so clear about wanting her to come along, that she followed his lead.

Does anyone think they stood a better chance by staying?
That's a toughie. In an urban area in this country in 2014 they likely would have been judged innocent. But justice was different in the Texas Panhandle in the early twentieth century. Today's standards don't predict very well what might have happened back then.

Back then and there, justice had more to do with how well one got along with the neighbors than it did with what a judge could be convinced of. Bill and Abby were strangers "from away" with no connections at all with anyone in the area. Given his decency, the farmer was probably regarded fondly by his neighbors. The foreman thought Bill and Abby were "a couple of con artists" (and Bill knew firsthand of his opinion), and since he had apparently lived in the area quite a while, the foreman most likely knew a lot of people there.

Also, Abby "felt" guilty (although virtually noone else knew why). It's quite a bit harder to make a good defensive case if you don't quite believe it yourself.

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A well considered response! Everything you say explains the situations with clarity and in completeness. I suspected it, but needed confirmation in another's words to confirm my vague assessment of matters.

Bill knew himself that he should leave immediately 'before anything bad happens' .... when he returned to find the farmer still in reasonable health. He had played his cards, taking the risk with Abby's feelings ..... her being the pawn in his game of chance. Which is understandable in such gruelling impoverished demeaning times of savage depression.
But he also held the responsibility of his sister as well as Abby's well being in how he behaved and should have let sleeping dogs lie, letting the farmer's health card play itself out, no matter how long that took. He already knew of the farmer's misgivings about him, the reason he first left, and knowing his return was akin to waving a red flag in the farmer's face. He knew the farmer was no fool and not to be messed with.

Bill had snookered himself with his own play of dirty pool coming around to bite him - having realised the depth of his feelings for Abby. His lack of discipline caused the 3 of them to be catapulted into a perilous and potentially miserable future for each of them.

What good is the perfectly formed and executed plan if one can't keep their head, with determined strength and endurance, when it is required. Something I would say most of we mere humans would relate to in our own lives in hindsight - hence the movie's theme being a gem in it's 'moral of the tale'.
'Oh what a web we weave....'.


Thanks for your 'excellent' response Chuck.....Cheers :)


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SInce the old guy thought Abbey was also a 'con-artist' he might have challenged the legal proceedings to keep Abby from getting the house and farm..

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Yes, it could have been a dirty court battle.
However her legal rights may have stood.

She was his wife.
She did not kill him.

A fight between 2 men over a woman is not unusual, however the whole thing about them representing themselves as brother and sister could have complicated things :(

I still think the law had to award it to her, in the end.



Bill could have pled self defence. The farmer came to him (descended on him). The farmer picked the fight brandishing a gun. Bill defended himself with a lowly screwdriver. The obvious problem was that foreman - but a good lawyer would have argued that was jealousy, the reason the farmer sent the foreman to another area. Although the foreman could have removed the gun from the crime-scene.

Bill was used to running .... and as such it was his first instinct. But not obviously the right decision .... so common of youth's naivety when they have no older honest guiding hand.

He scattered them all to the winds.



..mf..

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